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You forgot China has nuclear weapons, any "plan" to put them in a position where they are "powerless" basically forces them to flex that option

• aguaviva 2y ago
  Any "plan" to put them in a position where they are "powerless" basically forces them to flex that option Except it doesn't, as we have seen with another nuclear power in the course of its psychotic attempt to invade Ukraine.
  • tivert 2y ago
    > Except it doesn't, as we have seen with another nuclear power in the course of its psychotic attempt to invade Ukraine. Because the West has been very careful not to push too hard, and has afforded Russia a grinding and expensive advancement on its goals. If NATO forces joined directly, or Ukraine was marching to Moscow with Western aid, I think you'd have a different story (e.g. at least the use of tactical nuclear weapons, which I think would quickly spiral out of control).
    • aguaviva 2y ago
      If NATO forces joined directly, or Ukraine was marching to Moscow with Western aid, I think you'd have a different story Right, but "marching to Moscow" (at least) was never going to happen. It was never even a remotely plausible contingency.