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So you think the way the US would win those wars is by suffering more casualties? No, in all cases, it was the lack of political will to continue not an inabili

by kcb 2y ago

So you think the way the US would win those wars is by suffering more casualties? No, in all cases, it was the lack of political will to continue not an inability to defeat enemies tactically.

Dalewyn 2y ago
I think the way the US would win wars is by figuring out how to win wars (and ideally not start/join so many fucking wars in the first place) instead of manufacturing national crises out of nothingburgers that nonetheless catch the attention of dinner tables across the country. Putting it another way: We're losing wars whether we make our silicon toys here or in Taiwan or if Taiwan gets China'd. I want my tax dollars put to better use than Intel.
- tivert 2y ago
  > Putting it another way: We're losing wars whether we make our silicon toys here or in Taiwan or if Taiwan gets China'd. I want my tax dollars put to better use than Intel. I think you should move to China, instead of moving all of us there. If you hand China all the technological cards, because muh tax dollars, that's just what you'll do. The international order will reconfigure around China and its desires, and the US will become increasingly irrelevant as it looses capability and walks down the value chain towards a resource extraction and agriculture economy. And don't think the market will create a new domestic entry into one of these capital-heavy industries, once the domestic competitor is gone: it'll always be cheaper to buy from China, so the market will buy from China. It'll take a lot more taxpayer money to build a new Intel foundry business than to save the existing one.
  - Dalewyn 2y ago
    >If you hand China all the technological cards, They already have all the cards, thinking that we still hold the cards is delusional. The changeover of eras hasn't caught up yet, but it's only a matter of time. No, rather than mulling over spilt milk that has dried out and stank like death, I would rather we put our tax dollars towards the milk that's still in the glass. Reform our military and politics so we can fucking win wars again if we must wage them at all. Rebuild our fucking crumbling infrastructure. Divest ourselves of all the fucking lard that has accumulated during Pax Americana. If we can't find a practical reason to have domestic silicon factories then so be fucking it, that's reality. I want to see my tax dollars spent towards something other than against an immovable object.

by kcb 2y ago

So you think the way the US would win those wars is by suffering more casualties? No, in all cases, it was the lack of political will to continue not an inability to defeat enemies tactically.

Dalewyn 2y ago

I think the way the US would win wars is by figuring out how to win wars (and ideally not start/join so many fucking wars in the first place) instead of manufacturing national crises out of nothingburgers that nonetheless catch the attention of dinner tables across the country. Putting it another way: We're losing wars whether we make our silicon toys here or in Taiwan or if Taiwan gets China'd. I want my tax dollars put to better use than Intel.

tivert 2y ago
> Putting it another way: We're losing wars whether we make our silicon toys here or in Taiwan or if Taiwan gets China'd. I want my tax dollars put to better use than Intel. I think you should move to China, instead of moving all of us there. If you hand China all the technological cards, because muh tax dollars, that's just what you'll do. The international order will reconfigure around China and its desires, and the US will become increasingly irrelevant as it looses capability and walks down the value chain towards a resource extraction and agriculture economy. And don't think the market will create a new domestic entry into one of these capital-heavy industries, once the domestic competitor is gone: it'll always be cheaper to buy from China, so the market will buy from China. It'll take a lot more taxpayer money to build a new Intel foundry business than to save the existing one.
- Dalewyn 2y ago
  >If you hand China all the technological cards, They already have all the cards, thinking that we still hold the cards is delusional. The changeover of eras hasn't caught up yet, but it's only a matter of time. No, rather than mulling over spilt milk that has dried out and stank like death, I would rather we put our tax dollars towards the milk that's still in the glass. Reform our military and politics so we can fucking win wars again if we must wage them at all. Rebuild our fucking crumbling infrastructure. Divest ourselves of all the fucking lard that has accumulated during Pax Americana. If we can't find a practical reason to have domestic silicon factories then so be fucking it, that's reality. I want to see my tax dollars spent towards something other than against an immovable object.