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Thankfully it's never been easier to find high-quality info about vegan nutrition and recipe ideas.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> it's never been easier to find high-quality info about vegan nutrition and recipe ideas Veganism is probably too far for the broad population. Ovo-lacto vegetarianism, where you're purchasing eggs and dairy from a specific farm (or reputable brand), is more accessible and close in terms of ethical and environmental impact.
- kelipso 2y ago
  That would work for 8 billion people? I doubt that.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > that would work for 8 billion people? What’s “that”? What do you mean by “work”? If you mean can we sell 8 billion people on ovo-lacto vegetarianism, I don’t know. What I know is it’s easier than selling even one billion on veganism. If you mean can we literally maintain the supply chains the answer is obviously yes. We already produce enough food for everyone in a world where 6+ billion eat meat.
    - kelipso 2y ago
      > purchasing eggs and dairy from a specific farm (or reputable brand) What does this even mean anyway? Current system works because of being able to buy from multiple sources through the global supply chains and commoditizing food. Specific farms won't work for 8 billion people.
- metta2uall 2y ago
  For now veganism is outside the Overton window but this is changing, and it needs to, because it's actually much better & cheaper than ovo-lacto vegetarianism even via a "better" commercial farm - they still get rid of the newly born males, they usually get rid of the older "less productive" females, feeding animals is still an inefficient use of land & energy, and cows still generate methane..
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > this is changing, and it needs to, because it's actually much better & cheaper Cheaper doesn’t mean better. And perfect is the enemy of the good. We are generations away from ovo-lacto vegetarian dominance, let alone veganism. If I were tasked with defeating vegetarianism, I’d push a vegan or nothing mantra.

> it's never been easier to find high-quality info about vegan nutrition and recipe ideas Veganism is probably too far for the broad population. Ovo-lacto vegetarianism, where you're purchasing eggs and dairy from a specific farm (or reputable brand), is more accessible and close in terms of ethical and environmental impact.

kelipso 2y ago
That would work for 8 billion people? I doubt that.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > that would work for 8 billion people? What’s “that”? What do you mean by “work”? If you mean can we sell 8 billion people on ovo-lacto vegetarianism, I don’t know. What I know is it’s easier than selling even one billion on veganism. If you mean can we literally maintain the supply chains the answer is obviously yes. We already produce enough food for everyone in a world where 6+ billion eat meat.
  - kelipso 2y ago
    > purchasing eggs and dairy from a specific farm (or reputable brand) What does this even mean anyway? Current system works because of being able to buy from multiple sources through the global supply chains and commoditizing food. Specific farms won't work for 8 billion people.
metta2uall 2y ago
For now veganism is outside the Overton window but this is changing, and it needs to, because it's actually much better & cheaper than ovo-lacto vegetarianism even via a "better" commercial farm - they still get rid of the newly born males, they usually get rid of the older "less productive" females, feeding animals is still an inefficient use of land & energy, and cows still generate methane..
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > this is changing, and it needs to, because it's actually much better & cheaper Cheaper doesn’t mean better. And perfect is the enemy of the good. We are generations away from ovo-lacto vegetarian dominance, let alone veganism. If I were tasked with defeating vegetarianism, I’d push a vegan or nothing mantra.