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Truely the promise of the age of the internet has arrived: our choice is between an increasingly closed source android developed under the watchful and loving g

Truely the promise of the age of the internet has arrived: our choice is between an increasingly closed source android developed under the watchful and loving gaze of the worlds largest advertising firm or a totally closed source HarmonyOS developed under the watchful and loving gaze of the Chinese government.

shafouzzz 2y ago
great time to be alive
roenxi 2y ago
Reliable systems can be built from unreliable components. The more competition there is the more chances that one of the options turns out to be good or - even better - is forced to be.
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cyp0633 2y ago
HarmonyOS is built upon open-source OpenHarmony (which seems to have many variants, not sure all of them are open), and OpenHarmony runs on Linux / HongMeng kernel (see OSDI '24 paper for the latter, code not open yet)
- markus_zhang 2y ago
  I think HarmonyOS != OpenHarmony because the later still retains compatibility with Android while the former does not. I could be wrong.
  - cyp0633 2y ago
    The OS compatible with Android apps is HarmonyOS (<5.0), which you can literally think of as Android + some (maybe much) Huawei stuff. The thing based on OpenHarmony is sometimes referred to as HarmonyOS Next / 5.0, and some of those having upgraded to HMOS 5.0 are always complaining its compatibility in Chinese communities. Huawei always invents so many names so that people often confuse them.
- jauntywundrkind 2y ago
  Huweii's Harmony NEXT came about shortly after OpenAtom formed, which is sort of the Linux Foundation of Harmony. NEXT definitely has a lot of new & rebuilt aspects of Harmony, seems unlikely to be compatible or really the same; it's a major shift with new kernels & all.
markus_zhang 2y ago
If everything becomes close source then we engineers would have a lot more work! And the reverse engineers would have a lot more work too!
- pjmlp 2y ago
  If everything gets back to being close source..... That was my reality when I started in computing. You either pirated it, or bought it, the only source to look into was listings in computer magazines or programming books.
  - markus_zhang 2y ago
    Yep, or program it.
  - markus_zhang 2y ago
    Just to post a second reply to say that it would be really nice if anyone who wants to go into programming HAS to do a lot of low level programming like people between 7x-9x. I don't really get the chance to program tools in my work. It's going to be super stupid and a big no-no if one wants to do some lower level programming in a higher level job. That's why I would love the chance. You probably would ask "Sure why not do it at your free time"? Well would love to but right now with family and work and a bit of mental issues (difficult to focus) it's really tough for me to do it after 10pm. Plus the free time I get is scattered among hours, not in a big chunk.
TiredOfLife 2y ago
Or an even more closed source os by a fruit company that keeps all your data on servers under Chinese government control. And fully cooperates with russian government (pays fines, blocks apps) despite claims that they have left the market
dangus 2y ago
And unsurprisingly they’re both inferior than the closed source mobile OS that’s made by an actual computer company.
oDot 2y ago
You've missed the part of the internet where GrapheneOS resides
- ChocolateGod 2y ago
  Must be a small part then
- KetoManx64 2y ago
  GrapheneOS, LineageOS, /e/OS, CalyxOS. So many options in today's market, all can be run without GAPPs or using microG.
0_____0 2y ago
If this means there are three major mobile OS players rather than two, I'm happy. Google keeps shoehorning crap and dark patterns (break unrelated functionality if you don't have location turned on, break functionality unnecessarily if history is turned off) into their products and I'm sick of it. They need serious competition on their own handsets.
mistrial9 2y ago
support indie OS development and git then, mate

shafouzzz 2y ago

great time to be alive

roenxi 2y ago

Reliable systems can be built from unreliable components. The more competition there is the more chances that one of the options turns out to be good or - even better - is forced to be.

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cyp0633 2y ago

HarmonyOS is built upon open-source OpenHarmony (which seems to have many variants, not sure all of them are open), and OpenHarmony runs on Linux / HongMeng kernel (see OSDI '24 paper for the latter, code not open yet)

markus_zhang 2y ago
I think HarmonyOS != OpenHarmony because the later still retains compatibility with Android while the former does not. I could be wrong.
- cyp0633 2y ago
  The OS compatible with Android apps is HarmonyOS (<5.0), which you can literally think of as Android + some (maybe much) Huawei stuff. The thing based on OpenHarmony is sometimes referred to as HarmonyOS Next / 5.0, and some of those having upgraded to HMOS 5.0 are always complaining its compatibility in Chinese communities. Huawei always invents so many names so that people often confuse them.
jauntywundrkind 2y ago
Huweii's Harmony NEXT came about shortly after OpenAtom formed, which is sort of the Linux Foundation of Harmony. NEXT definitely has a lot of new & rebuilt aspects of Harmony, seems unlikely to be compatible or really the same; it's a major shift with new kernels & all.

markus_zhang 2y ago

If everything becomes close source then we engineers would have a lot more work! And the reverse engineers would have a lot more work too!

pjmlp 2y ago
If everything gets back to being close source..... That was my reality when I started in computing. You either pirated it, or bought it, the only source to look into was listings in computer magazines or programming books.
- markus_zhang 2y ago
  Yep, or program it.
- markus_zhang 2y ago
  Just to post a second reply to say that it would be really nice if anyone who wants to go into programming HAS to do a lot of low level programming like people between 7x-9x. I don't really get the chance to program tools in my work. It's going to be super stupid and a big no-no if one wants to do some lower level programming in a higher level job. That's why I would love the chance. You probably would ask "Sure why not do it at your free time"? Well would love to but right now with family and work and a bit of mental issues (difficult to focus) it's really tough for me to do it after 10pm. Plus the free time I get is scattered among hours, not in a big chunk.

TiredOfLife 2y ago

Or an even more closed source os by a fruit company that keeps all your data on servers under Chinese government control. And fully cooperates with russian government (pays fines, blocks apps) despite claims that they have left the market

dangus 2y ago

And unsurprisingly they’re both inferior than the closed source mobile OS that’s made by an actual computer company.

oDot 2y ago

You've missed the part of the internet where GrapheneOS resides

ChocolateGod 2y ago
Must be a small part then
KetoManx64 2y ago
GrapheneOS, LineageOS, /e/OS, CalyxOS. So many options in today's market, all can be run without GAPPs or using microG.

0_____0 2y ago

If this means there are three major mobile OS players rather than two, I'm happy. Google keeps shoehorning crap and dark patterns (break unrelated functionality if you don't have location turned on, break functionality unnecessarily if history is turned off) into their products and I'm sick of it. They need serious competition on their own handsets.

mistrial9 2y ago

support indie OS development and git then, mate