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For anyone else who hasn't heard it before, a bush lawyer is "One who is not qualified in law yet attempts to expound on legal matters." https://en.m.wiktionar

by ksymph 2y ago

For anyone else who hasn't heard it before, a bush lawyer is "One who is not qualified in law yet attempts to expound on legal matters." https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/bush_lawyer https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/bush_lawyer

ricktdotorg 2y ago
thankfully the negative use of bush in the context of "bush lawyer" does not extend into the use of bush in "bush pilot"
debo_ 2y ago
Perhaps "bush lawyer" was the inspiration for "hedge wizard." https://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/zetwkt/what_exactly_is_meant_by_hedge_wizard/ https://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/zetwkt/what_exactly_is...
- vundercind 2y ago
  The most-promising thread I’ve pulled at for this after a few searches is that this all (hedge wizard, hedge witch) derives from “hedge school”, with either “hedge witch” or “hedge wizard” being the first of this form, and later uses of those and related terms (like Martin’s “hedge knight”) deriving from these derivatives, incorporating meaning and context not necessarily intended by the original formulation, for reason of not realizing the specific original reason for labeling them “hedge” (the association with unofficial, unorthodox, and maybe illegal schooling) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedge_school https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedge_school
amalcon 2y ago
TIL, this was my first time seeing the term. I just assumed that the poster had left out the second word of "bush league". That would mean something similar but subtly different, though (a lawyer not up to professional standards).
- culi 2y ago
  I'd imagine both terms are derogatory, no? "Bush" is usually a derogitroy descriptor of aboriginal peoples as "primitive" or "unsophisticated"
  - amalcon 2y ago
    The subtle difference is not that one is neutral. It's that "bush league lawyer" is a bad lawyer, but "bush lawyer" can be either that or someone attempting to act as a lawyer without actually being one.
- BWStearns 2y ago
  I've heard a similar formulation of "barracks lawyer" from military folks. The dude who gives terrible advice but can use enough legal jargon to make it sound convincing.

by ksymph 2y ago

ricktdotorg 2y ago

thankfully the negative use of bush in the context of "bush lawyer" does not extend into the use of bush in "bush pilot"

debo_ 2y ago

Perhaps "bush lawyer" was the inspiration for "hedge wizard." https://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/zetwkt/what_exactly_is_meant_by_hedge_wizard/ https://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/zetwkt/what_exactly_is...

vundercind 2y ago
The most-promising thread I’ve pulled at for this after a few searches is that this all (hedge wizard, hedge witch) derives from “hedge school”, with either “hedge witch” or “hedge wizard” being the first of this form, and later uses of those and related terms (like Martin’s “hedge knight”) deriving from these derivatives, incorporating meaning and context not necessarily intended by the original formulation, for reason of not realizing the specific original reason for labeling them “hedge” (the association with unofficial, unorthodox, and maybe illegal schooling) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedge_school https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedge_school

amalcon 2y ago

TIL, this was my first time seeing the term. I just assumed that the poster had left out the second word of "bush league". That would mean something similar but subtly different, though (a lawyer not up to professional standards).

culi 2y ago
I'd imagine both terms are derogatory, no? "Bush" is usually a derogitroy descriptor of aboriginal peoples as "primitive" or "unsophisticated"
- amalcon 2y ago
  The subtle difference is not that one is neutral. It's that "bush league lawyer" is a bad lawyer, but "bush lawyer" can be either that or someone attempting to act as a lawyer without actually being one.
BWStearns 2y ago
I've heard a similar formulation of "barracks lawyer" from military folks. The dude who gives terrible advice but can use enough legal jargon to make it sound convincing.