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Or law firms with large discovery data sets

by bigs 2y ago

aitchnyu 2y ago
How big are they? I thought its the 100gb order of magnitude as (dead tree) libraries.
- berbec 2y ago
  It adds up quick. I know of a law firm (under a 100 employees) with over 20TB.
  - bbatha 2y ago
    That's still peanuts, you can get consumer grade HDDs with that capacity in a single drive. A business grade line would have no trouble uploading all of that data in less than a week, even with a bunch of extenuating circumstances.
    - eightys3v3n 2y ago
      Some smaller businesses may have a huge data store, but not the money to pay for a business grade internet connection to upload it in a reasonable amount of time. I've worked for clients who have a 10 megabit full duplex fiber connection for over $1,000 a month (probably because of low ISP competition and because they were in a newly built, low density area). If they were working on migrating to the cloud, they would certainly consider taking a few hard drives one time to AWS rather than maxing their 10 MB full duplex connection for weeks or months.
    - BrentOzar 2y ago
      > no trouble uploading all of that data in less than a week When you're doing e-discovery, deadlines are often measured in days - not just for the upload time, but for the analysis and finding the needle in the haystack.
      - oatmeal_croc 2y ago
        I'd imagine with LLMs today, discovery work is probably done on the cloud by bots.
        akira2501 2y ago
        It'd be a great way to get sued for negligence. You can't even assume the counterparty has correctly put everything into discovery for you. What you don't know is what gets you into trouble. An example from the Karen Reed case, the police, somehow, uploaded a video that had been put through a "mirror filter" and thus showed a vehicle in the opposite orientation from reality. Is your LLM going to notice that?
        otterley 2y ago
        Do you know of a single attorney who has been held liable for negligence for using an LLM to help accelerate their document research work?
        akira2501 2y ago
        It's already a common grounds for a malpractice suit. In a lot of cases these will be handled by the attorneys insurance and will probably be settled. You really shouldn't take the absence of evidence as any sort of evidence itself.
        otterley 2y ago
        Using an LLM is “common grounds” for a malpractice suit? Come on, the technology hasn’t even been around that long. Without corroborating evidence, why should anyone believe you?
        akira2501 2y ago
        Failure to properly perform discovery is already common grounds for a malpractice suit. I don't care if you believe me. You seem to have your mind made up anyways.
- bigs 2y ago
  Hmm. A couple years ago I think one large firm I knew their aws instance had about 400tb I think. Constantly growing with new cases. They had instances around the world this was just one.

Or law firms with large discovery data sets

by bigs 2y ago

Or law firms with large discovery data sets

aitchnyu 2y ago

How big are they? I thought its the 100gb order of magnitude as (dead tree) libraries.

berbec 2y ago
It adds up quick. I know of a law firm (under a 100 employees) with over 20TB.
- bbatha 2y ago
  That's still peanuts, you can get consumer grade HDDs with that capacity in a single drive. A business grade line would have no trouble uploading all of that data in less than a week, even with a bunch of extenuating circumstances.
  - eightys3v3n 2y ago
    Some smaller businesses may have a huge data store, but not the money to pay for a business grade internet connection to upload it in a reasonable amount of time. I've worked for clients who have a 10 megabit full duplex fiber connection for over $1,000 a month (probably because of low ISP competition and because they were in a newly built, low density area). If they were working on migrating to the cloud, they would certainly consider taking a few hard drives one time to AWS rather than maxing their 10 MB full duplex connection for weeks or months.
  - BrentOzar 2y ago
    > no trouble uploading all of that data in less than a week When you're doing e-discovery, deadlines are often measured in days - not just for the upload time, but for the analysis and finding the needle in the haystack.
    - oatmeal_croc 2y ago
      I'd imagine with LLMs today, discovery work is probably done on the cloud by bots.
      - akira2501 2y ago
        It'd be a great way to get sued for negligence. You can't even assume the counterparty has correctly put everything into discovery for you. What you don't know is what gets you into trouble. An example from the Karen Reed case, the police, somehow, uploaded a video that had been put through a "mirror filter" and thus showed a vehicle in the opposite orientation from reality. Is your LLM going to notice that?
        otterley 2y ago
        Do you know of a single attorney who has been held liable for negligence for using an LLM to help accelerate their document research work?
        akira2501 2y ago
        It's already a common grounds for a malpractice suit. In a lot of cases these will be handled by the attorneys insurance and will probably be settled. You really shouldn't take the absence of evidence as any sort of evidence itself.
        otterley 2y ago
        Using an LLM is “common grounds” for a malpractice suit? Come on, the technology hasn’t even been around that long. Without corroborating evidence, why should anyone believe you?
        akira2501 2y ago
        Failure to properly perform discovery is already common grounds for a malpractice suit. I don't care if you believe me. You seem to have your mind made up anyways.
bigs 2y ago
Hmm. A couple years ago I think one large firm I knew their aws instance had about 400tb I think. Constantly growing with new cases. They had instances around the world this was just one.