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>Which... maybe it is; who am I to suggest different priorities for other people I mean, I get the sentiment. But I live in this world too, and the E-Waste and

>Which... maybe it is; who am I to suggest different priorities for other people I mean, I get the sentiment. But I live in this world too, and the E-Waste and forced obsolescence(or whatever you'd call it in this particular instance) does have an effect on me, personally. So yes, we should absolutely have a say, despite the fact that at this time we actively do not. In the US, our environmental policy is laughably inadequate, and with what happened in the election, we're about to be on a path of complete self-annihilation, environmentally speaking. It's a bit of a long-winded way of explaining myself here, but we definitely shouldn't refrain from serious issues because you feel you may be stepping on others' toes.

Dalewyn 2y ago
Let's be real here: Most of us detest forced upgrades because it is Fucking Inconvenient(tm). We don't want to move away from Space Bar Heating[1] once we've gotten established, and screw everyone who tries taking it away. I'm sure a small minority might also have an environmental beef, but arguing green isn't going to grab peoples' hearts. [1]: https://xkcd.com/1172/ https://xkcd.com/1172/
- michaelsshaw 2y ago
  >I'm sure a small minority might also have an environmental beef, but arguing green isn't going to grab peoples' hearts. That's kind of what it so disheartening about this whole issue. It's seriously urgent, and yet I routinely meet people who actively deny what is actual undeniable fact, claiming various sources of deception (deepstate, lizards, Nancy Pelosi, etc). A good amount of the rest don't care.
- coldtea 2y ago
  >We don't want to move away from Space Bar Heating[1] once we've gotten established, and screw everyone who tries taking it away. This implies what people want to stick to is some inefficient BS workflow. As opposed to what's usually the case: more stable, tested, and loved features, changed due to tech fads, to make the product appear new for marketing, to squeeze extra profit despite inconveniencing users, or just for change's sake.
  - Dalewyn 2y ago
    As far as the rest of the tech world moving ever forward is concerned, it is "some inefficient bullshit workflow". I don't necessarily agree with it, but that's certainly the wider consensus.

Dalewyn 2y ago

Let's be real here: Most of us detest forced upgrades because it is Fucking Inconvenient(tm). We don't want to move away from Space Bar Heating[1] once we've gotten established, and screw everyone who tries taking it away. I'm sure a small minority might also have an environmental beef, but arguing green isn't going to grab peoples' hearts. [1]: https://xkcd.com/1172/ https://xkcd.com/1172/

michaelsshaw 2y ago
>I'm sure a small minority might also have an environmental beef, but arguing green isn't going to grab peoples' hearts. That's kind of what it so disheartening about this whole issue. It's seriously urgent, and yet I routinely meet people who actively deny what is actual undeniable fact, claiming various sources of deception (deepstate, lizards, Nancy Pelosi, etc). A good amount of the rest don't care.
coldtea 2y ago
>We don't want to move away from Space Bar Heating[1] once we've gotten established, and screw everyone who tries taking it away. This implies what people want to stick to is some inefficient BS workflow. As opposed to what's usually the case: more stable, tested, and loved features, changed due to tech fads, to make the product appear new for marketing, to squeeze extra profit despite inconveniencing users, or just for change's sake.
- Dalewyn 2y ago
  As far as the rest of the tech world moving ever forward is concerned, it is "some inefficient bullshit workflow". I don't necessarily agree with it, but that's certainly the wider consensus.