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Except for reasons like national security and domestic jobs rather than skin color or sexual preference

KennyBlanken 2y ago
What domestic jobs? These boondoggles never generate the jobs promised, and even if they did, the per-head cost of the handout is usually enormous compared to the per-head salary. https://goodjobsfirst.org/gajs/ https://goodjobsfirst.org/gajs/ Second: you don't enhance national security giving a near-monopoly company a giant pile of cash, further solidifying their monopoly, especially when they have a reputation for slacking off the second the teacher turns their back. The only reason Intel has innovated at all is that AMD has been forcing them to. You realize why Apple switched to Apple Silicon for their laptops and desktops, right? Apple was sick and tired of Intel's incompetence. They're getting $8BN in taxpayer money damn near immediately after putting out not one but TWO generations of processors that self-destruct. Why do they self-destruct? Greed and sloth. Intel has been skimping on R&D to goose the numbers for investors, so they've had to keep pumping up clock speeds and voltages to stay relevant against AMD's actual innovation (ex: 3D cache.) Just look at the TDPs for the top chips from Intel and AMD; intel's power consumption is insane, which is hilarious given it used to be the other way around - AMD's athlon chips being huge power hogs. They boosted voltages so high the chips burn themselves out. On top of this, their GPU lineup isn't remotely competitive, showing they can't innovate to save their lives. The initial drivers for their GPUs were just...hilariously bad given they've been putting out GPU drivers for two decades or so...and the hardware is grossly underwhelming.
- hackernewds 2y ago
  Precisely if not for the national security angle and also the fact that the existing president is departing, this grant would never have been made
- reissbaker 2y ago
  Intel is a near-monopoly? That's news to everyone who's been following chip fabs for the last decade. TSMC is a near-monopoly, and that's what the parent comment was referencing when they mentioned national security (since China is constantly threatening to invade Taiwan).
- tivert 2y ago
  >> Except for reasons like national security and domestic jobs rather than skin color or sexual preference > What domestic jobs? These boondoggles never generate the jobs promised, and even if they did, the per-head cost of the handout is usually enormous compared to the per-head salary. You forgot to address the national security aspect in your rant. > You realize why Apple switched to Apple Silicon for their laptops and desktops, right? Apple was sick and tired of Intel's incompetence. Fabbed where?
piva00 2y ago
Intel did layoffs of 15,000 people, doesn't really look like they're interesting in keeping domestic jobs. While they also spent US$152B in stock buybacks the past 10-15 years.

What domestic jobs? These boondoggles never generate the jobs promised, and even if they did, the per-head cost of the handout is usually enormous compared to the per-head salary. https://goodjobsfirst.org/gajs/ https://goodjobsfirst.org/gajs/ Second: you don't enhance national security giving a near-monopoly company a giant pile of cash, further solidifying their monopoly, especially when they have a reputation for slacking off the second the teacher turns their back. The only reason Intel has innovated at all is that AMD has been forcing them to. You realize why Apple switched to Apple Silicon for their laptops and desktops, right? Apple was sick and tired of Intel's incompetence. They're getting $8BN in taxpayer money damn near immediately after putting out not one but TWO generations of processors that self-destruct. Why do they self-destruct? Greed and sloth. Intel has been skimping on R&D to goose the numbers for investors, so they've had to keep pumping up clock speeds and voltages to stay relevant against AMD's actual innovation (ex: 3D cache.) Just look at the TDPs for the top chips from Intel and AMD; intel's power consumption is insane, which is hilarious given it used to be the other way around - AMD's athlon chips being huge power hogs. They boosted voltages so high the chips burn themselves out. On top of this, their GPU lineup isn't remotely competitive, showing they can't innovate to save their lives. The initial drivers for their GPUs were just...hilariously bad given they've been putting out GPU drivers for two decades or so...and the hardware is grossly underwhelming.

hackernewds 2y ago
Precisely if not for the national security angle and also the fact that the existing president is departing, this grant would never have been made
reissbaker 2y ago
Intel is a near-monopoly? That's news to everyone who's been following chip fabs for the last decade. TSMC is a near-monopoly, and that's what the parent comment was referencing when they mentioned national security (since China is constantly threatening to invade Taiwan).
tivert 2y ago
>> Except for reasons like national security and domestic jobs rather than skin color or sexual preference > What domestic jobs? These boondoggles never generate the jobs promised, and even if they did, the per-head cost of the handout is usually enormous compared to the per-head salary. You forgot to address the national security aspect in your rant. > You realize why Apple switched to Apple Silicon for their laptops and desktops, right? Apple was sick and tired of Intel's incompetence. Fabbed where?

piva00 2y ago

Intel did layoffs of 15,000 people, doesn't really look like they're interesting in keeping domestic jobs. While they also spent US$152B in stock buybacks the past 10-15 years.