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I would prefer some other competitor enters the market. Oh wait Intel killed them before they could be rivals like AMD. - VIA - IBM - Cyrix I mean IBM is ar

I would prefer some other competitor enters the market. Oh wait Intel killed them before they could be rivals like AMD. - VIA - IBM - Cyrix I mean IBM is around but I doubt they'll touch x86 ever again.

coliveira 2y ago
Yes, they're complaining about the obvious result of a monopolized market. If these companies were around, we would certainly have options and Intel could die quickly and without problem. Now we need to throw new money at a bad investment (Intel will continue to be a bad company unless they replace the whole management and change their culture).
- Sparkyte 2y ago
  My belief on this is that if a business received grants before the Government itself should take acquisition of the company almost like PBS thing and get it back to a functional state. The Government can later sell it off. I think grants don't solve problems they enable them unless threatened with a Government take over.
  - coliveira 2y ago
    Yes, that's the minimum they should do. Take over and fire the whole management.
    - Sparkyte 2y ago
      Yep and most of these large industry leaders are dying not because of the engineers but the quality of the management orchestrating the success and failures of the engineers rather than letting them work their magic.
BeefWellington 2y ago
IBM is barely touching Power, and that's their baby.
- Sparkyte 2y ago
  I would love IBM Power to return.
LMYahooTFY 2y ago
It would cost 5x or more that amount to get one of those companies to where Intel is.
- Sparkyte 2y ago
  True, but if they matured this wouldn't be an issue. I think Intel should be acquired by the government fixed up and remanaged. Then sold off again or given the opportunity to buy itself back. If a government gives out money year after year for grants and fails to meet the mark or even go bankrupt it needs to become federally managed like a bank. Especially in this sector.
AtlasBarfed 2y ago
I get It isn't directly this simple. But really most CPUs are risc cores with a hardware instruction set decoder. Considering how fast Apple and others designed arm chips for the mobile market, and there isn't that much difference between a mall mobile CPU for a smartphone and a full scale desktop CPU, I would think the barrier entry to x86 isn't that high if the US swept away any patent lawsuits. But maybe we should just push the transition to arm now from x86. We are remarkably close to this already between AWS arm instances, mobiles, and Apple laptops. With the embarrassment of riches and silicon, It wouldn't shock me if mixed arm and x86 execution cores we're packaged together.
- Sparkyte 2y ago
  In terms of efficiency having mixed cores would be excellent. You can rely on ARM for lightweight system operations and where advanced instructions come to play like AVX-512 use x86-64. The problem as it was told to me was that you run into the different relationships they have with memory and hardware. I would love the boundary to be torn away. To idle at 5 watts while streaming and use 20watts while gaming ( a serious non-mobile game ).
  - AtlasBarfed 2y ago
    Memory is almost stupid cheap, so have different channels/banks for the different architectures?

coliveira 2y ago

Yes, they're complaining about the obvious result of a monopolized market. If these companies were around, we would certainly have options and Intel could die quickly and without problem. Now we need to throw new money at a bad investment (Intel will continue to be a bad company unless they replace the whole management and change their culture).

Sparkyte 2y ago
My belief on this is that if a business received grants before the Government itself should take acquisition of the company almost like PBS thing and get it back to a functional state. The Government can later sell it off. I think grants don't solve problems they enable them unless threatened with a Government take over.
- coliveira 2y ago
  Yes, that's the minimum they should do. Take over and fire the whole management.
  - Sparkyte 2y ago
    Yep and most of these large industry leaders are dying not because of the engineers but the quality of the management orchestrating the success and failures of the engineers rather than letting them work their magic.

BeefWellington 2y ago

IBM is barely touching Power, and that's their baby.

Sparkyte 2y ago
I would love IBM Power to return.

LMYahooTFY 2y ago

It would cost 5x or more that amount to get one of those companies to where Intel is.

Sparkyte 2y ago
True, but if they matured this wouldn't be an issue. I think Intel should be acquired by the government fixed up and remanaged. Then sold off again or given the opportunity to buy itself back. If a government gives out money year after year for grants and fails to meet the mark or even go bankrupt it needs to become federally managed like a bank. Especially in this sector.

AtlasBarfed 2y ago

I get It isn't directly this simple. But really most CPUs are risc cores with a hardware instruction set decoder. Considering how fast Apple and others designed arm chips for the mobile market, and there isn't that much difference between a mall mobile CPU for a smartphone and a full scale desktop CPU, I would think the barrier entry to x86 isn't that high if the US swept away any patent lawsuits. But maybe we should just push the transition to arm now from x86. We are remarkably close to this already between AWS arm instances, mobiles, and Apple laptops. With the embarrassment of riches and silicon, It wouldn't shock me if mixed arm and x86 execution cores we're packaged together.

Sparkyte 2y ago
In terms of efficiency having mixed cores would be excellent. You can rely on ARM for lightweight system operations and where advanced instructions come to play like AVX-512 use x86-64. The problem as it was told to me was that you run into the different relationships they have with memory and hardware. I would love the boundary to be torn away. To idle at 5 watts while streaming and use 20watts while gaming ( a serious non-mobile game ).
- AtlasBarfed 2y ago
  Memory is almost stupid cheap, so have different channels/banks for the different architectures?