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That doesn't pass as an excuse to lie to the people because Trump or someone else is also doing it. We have fact checkers for this regardless. The Democrats ca

by rvz 2y ago

That doesn't pass as an excuse to lie to the people because Trump or someone else is also doing it. We have fact checkers for this regardless. The Democrats campaigned on being the better party, a new clean slate and to move on and persuaded voters to not vote for the convicted felon (Trump). Yet he still won the election. My point is Biden should have just told the press that he will pardon his son, instead of repeatedly saying that he would not and then goes and does it anyway. Is it fair to say that he lied to everyone and also what else are they lying to us about?

hypeatei 2y ago
Sure, he lied. We're splitting hairs over something that was, in all reality, a targeted political attack on someone because their dad got elected. I would encourage you to read the press release. Hunter Biden got charged for something that almost no one else does (filling out a gun form incorrectly) There is no reason to invest this much effort into something so miniscule. It pales in comparison to the dangerous lies and behavior exhibited by MAGA (see: January 6th)
- thunky 2y ago
  > got charged for something that almost no one else does (filling out a gun form incorrectly) Do you also feel that Trump's 34 felony convictions for filling out a form incorrectly were standard treatment? Also considering that this was after the normal statute of limitations expired and during the heat of a presidential campaign. Seems hypocritical to agree or disagree with one but not the other.
  - hypeatei 2y ago
    That waters down the felony convictions and what they were related to. Trump paid off a pornstar and tried to hide it in his financials so his election chances weren't affected. One is related to running for President of the United States and the other is someone who has a drug addiction and who isn't running for any sort of office.
    - thunky 2y ago
      > That waters down the felony convictions and what they were related to. I don't think that's how it works. He wasn't charged with election interference or for violating campaign laws. But, given your take here, I assume you must feel that Hilary Clinton should have faced potential jail time when she failed to fill out a form and interfered with her opposition's presidential campaign: https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/30/politics/clinton-dnc-steele-dossier-fusion-gps/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/30/politics/clinton-dnc-steele-d... And you must also feel that she and Biden should have both faced charges and potential jail time for their mishandling of classified data. But, no charges for them, and 40 felony charges for Trump for mishandling classified documents.
      - hypeatei 2y ago
        You're misinformed on everything you mentioned. Trump was convicted in the "hush money" case. His classified documents case was thrown out by a federal judge who has questionable ethics and she was also appointed by Trump himself. Biden worked with the office that handles classified documents to return them. Trump and his legal team were hiding them and didn't respond to inquiries leading to the FBI raid. Hillary I'll give to you because she shoud've faced consequences for the behavior involved in the email scandal. Using bleach bit on hard drives to hide evidence is criminal IMO.
        thunky 2y ago
        > You're misinformed on everything you mentioned. Trump was convicted in the "hush money" case. His classified documents case was thrown out by a federal judge who has questionable ethics and she was also appointed by Trump himself. Exactly how am I misinformed? I never said he was convicted in the classified documents case, I said that he faced 40 felony charges for it and potential jail time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar-a-Lago_classified_documents_prosecution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar-a-Lago_classified_document... The grand jury indictment brought 40 felony counts against Trump related to his alleged mishandling of classified documents > Biden worked with the office that handles classified documents to return them. Trump and his legal team were hiding them and didn't respond to inquiries leading to the FBI raid. I know, and I figured you say this because this is how you're able to contort the facts to justify your world view, but Biden still did mishandle classified documents intentionally and he wasn't charged for it. And just because he gave them back when they asked doesn't reverse that fact. Remember, he wasn't let off the hook because he was innocent. By the way, I have no dog in this fight. I dislike them all equally. I just find it frustrating that people can so easily jump through hoops to "explain" how their team's wrongdoings are ok but refuse to apply the same logic when the call is against the other team. And that normally comes with claims of "misinformation", just like you're accusing me of here.
  - aguaviva 2y ago
    34 felony convictions for filling out a form incorrectly Like filing for public benefits in someone else's name just a matter of "filling out a form incorrectly".
    - thunky 2y ago
      I was using the same language GP used when they referred to Hunter Biden's mistake. That's my whole point here, is to try to be consistent regarless of who we're talking about.
      - aguaviva 2y ago
        You're right, I misread. Probably the result of hearing people make excuses for Trump's convictions on pretty much exactly the same lines, but in all seriousness.

by rvz 2y ago

hypeatei 2y ago

Sure, he lied. We're splitting hairs over something that was, in all reality, a targeted political attack on someone because their dad got elected. I would encourage you to read the press release. Hunter Biden got charged for something that almost no one else does (filling out a gun form incorrectly) There is no reason to invest this much effort into something so miniscule. It pales in comparison to the dangerous lies and behavior exhibited by MAGA (see: January 6th)

thunky 2y ago
> got charged for something that almost no one else does (filling out a gun form incorrectly) Do you also feel that Trump's 34 felony convictions for filling out a form incorrectly were standard treatment? Also considering that this was after the normal statute of limitations expired and during the heat of a presidential campaign. Seems hypocritical to agree or disagree with one but not the other.
- hypeatei 2y ago
  That waters down the felony convictions and what they were related to. Trump paid off a pornstar and tried to hide it in his financials so his election chances weren't affected. One is related to running for President of the United States and the other is someone who has a drug addiction and who isn't running for any sort of office.
  - thunky 2y ago
    > That waters down the felony convictions and what they were related to. I don't think that's how it works. He wasn't charged with election interference or for violating campaign laws. But, given your take here, I assume you must feel that Hilary Clinton should have faced potential jail time when she failed to fill out a form and interfered with her opposition's presidential campaign: https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/30/politics/clinton-dnc-steele-dossier-fusion-gps/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/30/politics/clinton-dnc-steele-d... And you must also feel that she and Biden should have both faced charges and potential jail time for their mishandling of classified data. But, no charges for them, and 40 felony charges for Trump for mishandling classified documents.
    - hypeatei 2y ago
      You're misinformed on everything you mentioned. Trump was convicted in the "hush money" case. His classified documents case was thrown out by a federal judge who has questionable ethics and she was also appointed by Trump himself. Biden worked with the office that handles classified documents to return them. Trump and his legal team were hiding them and didn't respond to inquiries leading to the FBI raid. Hillary I'll give to you because she shoud've faced consequences for the behavior involved in the email scandal. Using bleach bit on hard drives to hide evidence is criminal IMO.
      - thunky 2y ago
        > You're misinformed on everything you mentioned. Trump was convicted in the "hush money" case. His classified documents case was thrown out by a federal judge who has questionable ethics and she was also appointed by Trump himself. Exactly how am I misinformed? I never said he was convicted in the classified documents case, I said that he faced 40 felony charges for it and potential jail time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar-a-Lago_classified_documents_prosecution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar-a-Lago_classified_document... The grand jury indictment brought 40 felony counts against Trump related to his alleged mishandling of classified documents > Biden worked with the office that handles classified documents to return them. Trump and his legal team were hiding them and didn't respond to inquiries leading to the FBI raid. I know, and I figured you say this because this is how you're able to contort the facts to justify your world view, but Biden still did mishandle classified documents intentionally and he wasn't charged for it. And just because he gave them back when they asked doesn't reverse that fact. Remember, he wasn't let off the hook because he was innocent. By the way, I have no dog in this fight. I dislike them all equally. I just find it frustrating that people can so easily jump through hoops to "explain" how their team's wrongdoings are ok but refuse to apply the same logic when the call is against the other team. And that normally comes with claims of "misinformation", just like you're accusing me of here.
- aguaviva 2y ago
  34 felony convictions for filling out a form incorrectly Like filing for public benefits in someone else's name just a matter of "filling out a form incorrectly".
  - thunky 2y ago
    I was using the same language GP used when they referred to Hunter Biden's mistake. That's my whole point here, is to try to be consistent regarless of who we're talking about.
    - aguaviva 2y ago
      You're right, I misread. Probably the result of hearing people make excuses for Trump's convictions on pretty much exactly the same lines, but in all seriousness.