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A bit meta, but how is this a post worthy of hackernews? Is LionTeeth (OP in the macrumors forum thread) some Apple insider/genius? This entire post smacks of r

A bit meta, but how is this a post worthy of hackernews? Is LionTeeth (OP in the macrumors forum thread) some Apple insider/genius? This entire post smacks of reddit energy. They don't explain why the UI sucks but complain about it. If someone formatted this opinion into a blog post highlighting why the UI is worse while providing counterexamples and stuff, it would have a lot more value.

falleng0d 2y ago
Well lion brings a few valid complaints. Now if we are to have a meaningful conversation I would avoid getting distracted on who the OP is (LionTeeth) and instead try to understand what are the concerns he brings. - iOS 18 is glitchy and crashes frequently. - The Photos app has a confusing design with random button placements. - Touchscreen responsiveness is poor, often failing to register touches. - The new Control Center is overly complicated with multiple pages. - Navigation within the Control Center is cumbersome and unintuitive. - The overall user experience feels disjointed and lacks cohesion. - The operating system causes the device to overheat during gaming. - The posters like the simplicity and design of older iOS versions. These points and others are reiterated by multiple other users on the forum. Some users even downgraded. I would be cautious about upgrading myself given these issues so yes this deserves HN. *edit: format bullet list
- ksec 2y ago
  Basically iOS have become more Android like over the years. This may have helped Apple to gain more users coming from Android. But it is definitely not the old iOS vibe in terms of simplicity. Since the beginning I have always used an analogy, Android is when Google try to bring a PC into a smaller touch screen. iOS is Apple making a Smartphone appliance with some PC like functionality. And they are now converging in the middle. I really like the old iOS design philosophy. All the way back to skeuomorphic style.
notsydonia 2y ago
I think it's worthwhile. The last several updates of basically anything but particularly ios and os have been remarkably enshittified - there countless surreal anecdotes of bizarre glitch after glitch after glitch inexplicable if basic ux, trouble shooting, debuggging etc was done. Apple support forums are now an entire sub-genre of enraged or upset people begging Apple for help -"since the x update, I cannot see the cursor or cut and paste, I have an essay to write' etc etc and without any response. AND yes - this is why it's worthwhile, every utterance from Apple is about how they're integrating A.I. etc and how revolutionary extraordinary etc it is. The cognitive dissonance is crazy and I can't think of any company that was that great and had such devoted customers which has turned into an 'it just sucks' brand - not for everyone of course. Admittedly I speak as someone who foolishly updated to 18.1.1 and have just spent several hours undoing all the compulsory "we're connecting you to blah blah blah" features. OS Sonoma is worse. Sorry if this sounds reddittyy but does anyone with inside intel know why/how they've gotten so bad. Eg; Before - maybe in about 2013: 'get new mac -- excitement' - 'updates - usually cool. new features, maybe a bug or two.' Now the excitement has dwindlied and any update requires at least an hour of debugging undoing all the bloat.
torstenvl 2y ago
Ad hominems are against the site rules. Please try to discuss the topic, not who raised it.

falleng0d 2y ago

Well lion brings a few valid complaints. Now if we are to have a meaningful conversation I would avoid getting distracted on who the OP is (LionTeeth) and instead try to understand what are the concerns he brings. - iOS 18 is glitchy and crashes frequently. - The Photos app has a confusing design with random button placements. - Touchscreen responsiveness is poor, often failing to register touches. - The new Control Center is overly complicated with multiple pages. - Navigation within the Control Center is cumbersome and unintuitive. - The overall user experience feels disjointed and lacks cohesion. - The operating system causes the device to overheat during gaming. - The posters like the simplicity and design of older iOS versions. These points and others are reiterated by multiple other users on the forum. Some users even downgraded. I would be cautious about upgrading myself given these issues so yes this deserves HN. *edit: format bullet list

ksec 2y ago
Basically iOS have become more Android like over the years. This may have helped Apple to gain more users coming from Android. But it is definitely not the old iOS vibe in terms of simplicity. Since the beginning I have always used an analogy, Android is when Google try to bring a PC into a smaller touch screen. iOS is Apple making a Smartphone appliance with some PC like functionality. And they are now converging in the middle. I really like the old iOS design philosophy. All the way back to skeuomorphic style.

notsydonia 2y ago

I think it's worthwhile. The last several updates of basically anything but particularly ios and os have been remarkably enshittified - there countless surreal anecdotes of bizarre glitch after glitch after glitch inexplicable if basic ux, trouble shooting, debuggging etc was done. Apple support forums are now an entire sub-genre of enraged or upset people begging Apple for help -"since the x update, I cannot see the cursor or cut and paste, I have an essay to write' etc etc and without any response. AND yes - this is why it's worthwhile, every utterance from Apple is about how they're integrating A.I. etc and how revolutionary extraordinary etc it is. The cognitive dissonance is crazy and I can't think of any company that was that great and had such devoted customers which has turned into an 'it just sucks' brand - not for everyone of course. Admittedly I speak as someone who foolishly updated to 18.1.1 and have just spent several hours undoing all the compulsory "we're connecting you to blah blah blah" features. OS Sonoma is worse. Sorry if this sounds reddittyy but does anyone with inside intel know why/how they've gotten so bad. Eg; Before - maybe in about 2013: 'get new mac -- excitement' - 'updates - usually cool. new features, maybe a bug or two.' Now the excitement has dwindlied and any update requires at least an hour of debugging undoing all the bloat.

torstenvl 2y ago

Ad hominems are against the site rules. Please try to discuss the topic, not who raised it.