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Interesting, from the perspective of a father wanting to protect his son, it is understandable. It is just difficult from the perspective of a president even if

by c0balt 2y ago

Interesting, from the perspective of a father wanting to protect his son, it is understandable. It is just difficult from the perspective of a president even if the reason may sound superficially correct.

rvz 2y ago
Then Joe Biden should have just said he would do so, instead of saying in front of the press and everyone else that he would not pardon his son. So is it fair to say that Biden repeatedly lied in front of everyone?
- dnissley 2y ago
  Precisely. Would have been so much better if he had just sent a memo effectively saying: "He's my son, so I'm pardoning him, end of story. Sorry I lied about this, I genuinely regret it."
  - rainworld 2y ago
    >I genuinely regret it. But he doesn’t regret anything. None of them ever do. Stop writing fan fiction, stop falling for the same lies and theater every 4/8 years and start facing the reality of how America is ruled.
- jmye 2y ago
  > is it fair to say that Biden …lied… Of course it is. So what?
- archagon 2y ago
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  - rvz 2y ago
    > It literally does not matter. So it somehow "literally does not matter" for Biden to lie to the country just because Trump also lies? That really is not a good excuse to ignore whatever lies Biden says since he and the democrats should know better. What else has Biden been lying to us about then?
    - archagon 2y ago
      Seems more to me that he changed his mind.
      - rvz 2y ago
        It was "literally" a lie. You already know it but you still choose to ignore that.
        archagon 2y ago
        No, it was not "literally" a lie. I'm quite certain Biden would not have done this if the next president wasn't an authoritarian bully obsessed with violent revenge on those who wronged him.
        rvz 2y ago
        > No, it was not "literally" a lie. It was "literally" a lie. There is no defense on this.
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  - onecommentman 2y ago
    This is known as the “tu quoque” rhetorical device, used for millennia and commonly viewed as a fallacious argument. There are a lot of places online that explain the concept. Just because your opponent has done the same thing doesn’t mean the original charge against you is invalid. Their hypocrisy does not invalidate their argument. Not supporting either Biden or Trump in their actions, but this isn’t the way to make a convincing argument. (Why aren’t they teaching rhetoric in schools?)
- hulitu 2y ago
  > Then Joe Biden should have just said he would do so, instead of saying in front of the press and everyone else that he would not pardon his son. Well, to his defence, he forgot. (i wish i was sarcastic)
dredmorbius 2y ago
<https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42292137 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42292137>
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lenkite 2y ago
Didn't Biden say that he would never show favoritism to his son, since has a "commitment to the rule of law and judicial system". The White House PLEDGED several times that they would be NO pardon for Hunter Biden even he if was convicted. They even mocked the journalists who asked this question - several times. Looks like the Biden Administration was made out of absolute lies and shameful hypocrisy, but the folks who didn't have their heads in the sand knew that anyways. Oh yes, do blame this on Trump - the real reason is that there was the threat that Hunter would take a plea deal and reveal all dirt on his father - esp the corrupt dealings in Ukraine. Made Biden's Puppeteer's terribly shiver. Ukraine has been a money laundering operation for a long time now - don't want the gravy train exposed. Expect to see a very large surge of preemptive pardon's issued in the next month - easily several times more than the previous Trump presidency - and nearly all issued to the corrupt members of the current administration.
- tim333 2y ago
  Politicians eh? Not sure they are that great on either side.
- archagon 2y ago
  The only bad thing about this pardon is that it fuels conspiracy theories like these. But it doesn’t really matter, since the conspiracy theorists will soon have full control of the government without any checks and balances to stop them. The country is doomed, so might as well do a bit of good on the way out without asking for permission.
- ttyprintk 2y ago
  No, the real reason is that if Hunter was still incarcerated in 2025 then he’d be used for politics. Moved to Guantanamo, Justice department releases a convenient confession, etc.
raxxorraxor 2y ago
I think it is a political low blow to go after the family of political opposition. I guess that rule went out of the window too, although I think it was the liberal media that started to make fun of Trumps family. But it shouldn't matter who started it. Sure, everyone should be equal in front of the law, but public persons are a difficult case. To be honest, I think for the alleged crimes he suffered enough punishment just because some people aired his dirty laundry publicly. Overall it is a sign that the political culture has become vastly more primitive. Were it healthy people would also call out their own political side to stop schoolyard shit like this. The interesting thing probably was that all that happened in Ukraine. For countries like Russia this can look like governmental involvement that is generally a bad look and it could be misinterpreted.

by c0balt 2y ago

rvz 2y ago

Then Joe Biden should have just said he would do so, instead of saying in front of the press and everyone else that he would not pardon his son. So is it fair to say that Biden repeatedly lied in front of everyone?

dnissley 2y ago
Precisely. Would have been so much better if he had just sent a memo effectively saying: "He's my son, so I'm pardoning him, end of story. Sorry I lied about this, I genuinely regret it."
- rainworld 2y ago
  >I genuinely regret it. But he doesn’t regret anything. None of them ever do. Stop writing fan fiction, stop falling for the same lies and theater every 4/8 years and start facing the reality of how America is ruled.
jmye 2y ago
> is it fair to say that Biden …lied… Of course it is. So what?
archagon 2y ago
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- rvz 2y ago
  > It literally does not matter. So it somehow "literally does not matter" for Biden to lie to the country just because Trump also lies? That really is not a good excuse to ignore whatever lies Biden says since he and the democrats should know better. What else has Biden been lying to us about then?
  - archagon 2y ago
    Seems more to me that he changed his mind.
    - rvz 2y ago
      It was "literally" a lie. You already know it but you still choose to ignore that.
      - archagon 2y ago
        No, it was not "literally" a lie. I'm quite certain Biden would not have done this if the next president wasn't an authoritarian bully obsessed with violent revenge on those who wronged him.
        rvz 2y ago
        > No, it was not "literally" a lie. It was "literally" a lie. There is no defense on this.
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- onecommentman 2y ago
  This is known as the “tu quoque” rhetorical device, used for millennia and commonly viewed as a fallacious argument. There are a lot of places online that explain the concept. Just because your opponent has done the same thing doesn’t mean the original charge against you is invalid. Their hypocrisy does not invalidate their argument. Not supporting either Biden or Trump in their actions, but this isn’t the way to make a convincing argument. (Why aren’t they teaching rhetoric in schools?)
hulitu 2y ago
> Then Joe Biden should have just said he would do so, instead of saying in front of the press and everyone else that he would not pardon his son. Well, to his defence, he forgot. (i wish i was sarcastic)

dredmorbius 2y ago

<https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42292137 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42292137>

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lenkite 2y ago

Didn't Biden say that he would never show favoritism to his son, since has a "commitment to the rule of law and judicial system". The White House PLEDGED several times that they would be NO pardon for Hunter Biden even he if was convicted. They even mocked the journalists who asked this question - several times. Looks like the Biden Administration was made out of absolute lies and shameful hypocrisy, but the folks who didn't have their heads in the sand knew that anyways. Oh yes, do blame this on Trump - the real reason is that there was the threat that Hunter would take a plea deal and reveal all dirt on his father - esp the corrupt dealings in Ukraine. Made Biden's Puppeteer's terribly shiver. Ukraine has been a money laundering operation for a long time now - don't want the gravy train exposed. Expect to see a very large surge of preemptive pardon's issued in the next month - easily several times more than the previous Trump presidency - and nearly all issued to the corrupt members of the current administration.

tim333 2y ago
Politicians eh? Not sure they are that great on either side.
archagon 2y ago
The only bad thing about this pardon is that it fuels conspiracy theories like these. But it doesn’t really matter, since the conspiracy theorists will soon have full control of the government without any checks and balances to stop them. The country is doomed, so might as well do a bit of good on the way out without asking for permission.
ttyprintk 2y ago
No, the real reason is that if Hunter was still incarcerated in 2025 then he’d be used for politics. Moved to Guantanamo, Justice department releases a convenient confession, etc.

raxxorraxor 2y ago

I think it is a political low blow to go after the family of political opposition. I guess that rule went out of the window too, although I think it was the liberal media that started to make fun of Trumps family. But it shouldn't matter who started it. Sure, everyone should be equal in front of the law, but public persons are a difficult case. To be honest, I think for the alleged crimes he suffered enough punishment just because some people aired his dirty laundry publicly. Overall it is a sign that the political culture has become vastly more primitive. Were it healthy people would also call out their own political side to stop schoolyard shit like this. The interesting thing probably was that all that happened in Ukraine. For countries like Russia this can look like governmental involvement that is generally a bad look and it could be misinterpreted.