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Exactly my point, if that cannot be done as a third party project, then shoehorning Rust into Linux and expecting unpaid third party volunteers to actually main

by diath 2y ago

Exactly my point, if that cannot be done as a third party project, then shoehorning Rust into Linux and expecting unpaid third party volunteers to actually maintain it makes no sense. Unless a big corp steps up to fund such efforts, it's pointless.

lesuorac 2y ago
It's Linus's project. He wants to allow Rust. If you don't then you fork it into your own project lol ...
sunshowers 2y ago
Linus has already decided to accept Rust! A fork would simply not be practical. Disagree and commit.
- tkahf 2y ago
  How much of that is the opinion of the corporate masters who fund the Linux Foundation? Why Rust and not Ada for example? Rust is heavily promoted by web developers who call the shots these days because they bring in the advertising money. I find it hard to believe that Rust is the end of all other languages, especially given its ugly syntax.
  - dralley 2y ago
    It turns out that Linus has repeatedly shared his personal opinion on these matters, so you can judge for yourself whether he sounds "forced by corporate masters", or whether that's conspiratorial FUD that exists only in your own mind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvuEYtkOH88&t=6m07s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvuEYtkOH88&t=6m07s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM_8UOPFpqE&t=8m30s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM_8UOPFpqE&t=8m30s He's even given briefly opined that Rust looks much better than the "disaster" of Ada: https://www.infoworld.com/article/2247741/linux-at-25-linus-torvalds-on-the-evolution-and-future-of-linux-2.html https://www.infoworld.com/article/2247741/linux-at-25-linus-...
  - sunshowers 2y ago
    Rust has so much momentum behind it. It's become extremely popular among leading-edge systems and tool developers, for being just the right mix of approachable and geared towards sustainable correctness. For example, the Jujutsu VCS is written in Rust. Of course it is — it was started in 2020 or so, and no other choice would make sense for software which needs to be fast while not compromising on correctness. And Jujutsu is not written by web developers. It is written by systems developers. I've also been in private conversations to start a couple of new systems projects to fulfill some currently-unmet needs. Again, of course they would be in Rust; there was never any doubt or serious debate. This by no means indicates that Rust is the end-all of languages. I hope Rust gets superseded at some point! But if you're making a decision today, right now, about systems projects you want to ship and deliver value with, then Rust it is.
  - dralley 2y ago
    Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvuEYtkOH88&t=17m28s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvuEYtkOH88&t=17m28s
dralley 2y ago
Linux is not, by and large, maintained by "unpaid volunteers". And big corps are, in fact, funding the Rust for Linux effort. Nothing is being "shoehorned". The project has the explicit backing of Linus and Greg KH. It's taking a long time because it's not being shoehorned.

by diath 2y ago

lesuorac 2y ago

It's Linus's project. He wants to allow Rust. If you don't then you fork it into your own project lol ...

sunshowers 2y ago

Linus has already decided to accept Rust! A fork would simply not be practical. Disagree and commit.

tkahf 2y ago
How much of that is the opinion of the corporate masters who fund the Linux Foundation? Why Rust and not Ada for example? Rust is heavily promoted by web developers who call the shots these days because they bring in the advertising money. I find it hard to believe that Rust is the end of all other languages, especially given its ugly syntax.
- dralley 2y ago
  It turns out that Linus has repeatedly shared his personal opinion on these matters, so you can judge for yourself whether he sounds "forced by corporate masters", or whether that's conspiratorial FUD that exists only in your own mind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvuEYtkOH88&t=6m07s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvuEYtkOH88&t=6m07s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM_8UOPFpqE&t=8m30s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM_8UOPFpqE&t=8m30s He's even given briefly opined that Rust looks much better than the "disaster" of Ada: https://www.infoworld.com/article/2247741/linux-at-25-linus-torvalds-on-the-evolution-and-future-of-linux-2.html https://www.infoworld.com/article/2247741/linux-at-25-linus-...
- sunshowers 2y ago
  Rust has so much momentum behind it. It's become extremely popular among leading-edge systems and tool developers, for being just the right mix of approachable and geared towards sustainable correctness. For example, the Jujutsu VCS is written in Rust. Of course it is — it was started in 2020 or so, and no other choice would make sense for software which needs to be fast while not compromising on correctness. And Jujutsu is not written by web developers. It is written by systems developers. I've also been in private conversations to start a couple of new systems projects to fulfill some currently-unmet needs. Again, of course they would be in Rust; there was never any doubt or serious debate. This by no means indicates that Rust is the end-all of languages. I hope Rust gets superseded at some point! But if you're making a decision today, right now, about systems projects you want to ship and deliver value with, then Rust it is.
- dralley 2y ago
  Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvuEYtkOH88&t=17m28s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvuEYtkOH88&t=17m28s

dralley 2y ago

Linux is not, by and large, maintained by "unpaid volunteers". And big corps are, in fact, funding the Rust for Linux effort. Nothing is being "shoehorned". The project has the explicit backing of Linus and Greg KH. It's taking a long time because it's not being shoehorned.