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Russian Duma adopts 'site blacklist' bill

42 points by bndr 14y ago

gasuns 14y ago
Let the war begin! There will be a revolution by Autumn!
- nine_k 14y ago
  Revolution's chances are slim. Brain drain will definitely accelerate.
bndr 14y ago
It's also interesting to note that Elena Mizulina, one of the people behind the bill, called Wikipedia "pedophile lobbyists" after they went blank to attract attention to this bill. Source: Interview http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fslon.ru%2Frussia%2Felena_mizulina_vikipediya_prikrytie_pedofilskogo_lobbi-809860.xhtml&act=url http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&...
forlorn 14y ago
If your government shuts down the internet, shut down your government!
huhtenberg 14y ago
> ... the list of reasons for which the government will be allowed to shut down a site is now strictly defined ... (and) ... includes web pages which advocate suicide, substance abuse, excessively risky behavior, and child pornography. Isn't this pretty much the same as they have in Australia and France? [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Australia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Australi... [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_France http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_France
- jscottmiller 14y ago
  Similar, yes, but the key distinction is that neither Australia nor France are governed by an autocratic regime with a history of using such laws to exert political control. For example, let's say a group is organizing and advertising a demonstration on a social network, and the odds are good that the protest will result in a police crackdown. Might this be excessively risky behavior? The Kremlin's answer would likely depend on the group, and whether the ruling party has a political interest to clamp down.
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- bndr 14y ago
  Internet is the only place left,at least it was the only place, where people could criticize United Russia party and discuss the current situation in the country. Now a simple blog post like "Lets go protest our government" could be considered as advocating risky behavior, and as such get blocked by Government.
- smsm42 14y ago
  Not the same. For example, sites that can be banned without court order include sites containing: - any information about drugs, methods of their use and places where they could be bought (i.e. if your travel guide would contain a sentence like something like "in Goa, marijuana is frequently sold in bars" - it can be blacklisted, same if you host a book that contains chemical formula of cocaine or Pulp Fiction movie that depicts drug usage). - information about chemical substances used in manufacturing of illegal drugs (which include such substances as iodine, sulfuric acid, acetone, hydrochloric and acetic acids and many other basic chemical substances) - information about methods of committing suicide Unfortunately, most English translations lose the nuance of the original text, so here I give Russian wikipedia link with the summary of the changes: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82_%E2%84%96_89417-6 http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%... Unfortunately, the server of Russian legislative acts that contains the original text is down currently, but once it's back you'd be able to see it here: http://www.duma.gov.ru/systems/law/?number=89417-6&sort=date http://www.duma.gov.ru/systems/law/?number=89417-6&sort=... The site can be banned without a court order, but can be unbanned only by court order. Given almost complete absence of independent judiciary in Russia and the widespread practice of expansive understanding of such laws by the security services, you can imagine how it's different from France.
xentronium 14y ago
At least, the public outrage led to the exclusion of several extremely vague terms from the bill, like "information that might be harmful for children", so wikipedia blackout wasn't in vain, after all. However, this showed us, once again, how incompetent our deputies are, when it comes to internet and technical stuff.

42 points by bndr 14y ago

gasuns 14y ago

Let the war begin! There will be a revolution by Autumn!

nine_k 14y ago
Revolution's chances are slim. Brain drain will definitely accelerate.

bndr 14y ago

It's also interesting to note that Elena Mizulina, one of the people behind the bill, called Wikipedia "pedophile lobbyists" after they went blank to attract attention to this bill. Source: Interview http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fslon.ru%2Frussia%2Felena_mizulina_vikipediya_prikrytie_pedofilskogo_lobbi-809860.xhtml&act=url http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&...

forlorn 14y ago

If your government shuts down the internet, shut down your government!

huhtenberg 14y ago

> ... the list of reasons for which the government will be allowed to shut down a site is now strictly defined ... (and) ... includes web pages which advocate suicide, substance abuse, excessively risky behavior, and child pornography. Isn't this pretty much the same as they have in Australia and France? [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Australia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Australi... [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_France http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_France

jscottmiller 14y ago
Similar, yes, but the key distinction is that neither Australia nor France are governed by an autocratic regime with a history of using such laws to exert political control. For example, let's say a group is organizing and advertising a demonstration on a social network, and the odds are good that the protest will result in a police crackdown. Might this be excessively risky behavior? The Kremlin's answer would likely depend on the group, and whether the ruling party has a political interest to clamp down.
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bndr 14y ago
Internet is the only place left,at least it was the only place, where people could criticize United Russia party and discuss the current situation in the country. Now a simple blog post like "Lets go protest our government" could be considered as advocating risky behavior, and as such get blocked by Government.
smsm42 14y ago
Not the same. For example, sites that can be banned without court order include sites containing: - any information about drugs, methods of their use and places where they could be bought (i.e. if your travel guide would contain a sentence like something like "in Goa, marijuana is frequently sold in bars" - it can be blacklisted, same if you host a book that contains chemical formula of cocaine or Pulp Fiction movie that depicts drug usage). - information about chemical substances used in manufacturing of illegal drugs (which include such substances as iodine, sulfuric acid, acetone, hydrochloric and acetic acids and many other basic chemical substances) - information about methods of committing suicide Unfortunately, most English translations lose the nuance of the original text, so here I give Russian wikipedia link with the summary of the changes: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82_%E2%84%96_89417-6 http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%... Unfortunately, the server of Russian legislative acts that contains the original text is down currently, but once it's back you'd be able to see it here: http://www.duma.gov.ru/systems/law/?number=89417-6&sort=date http://www.duma.gov.ru/systems/law/?number=89417-6&sort=... The site can be banned without a court order, but can be unbanned only by court order. Given almost complete absence of independent judiciary in Russia and the widespread practice of expansive understanding of such laws by the security services, you can imagine how it's different from France.

xentronium 14y ago

At least, the public outrage led to the exclusion of several extremely vague terms from the bill, like "information that might be harmful for children", so wikipedia blackout wasn't in vain, after all. However, this showed us, once again, how incompetent our deputies are, when it comes to internet and technical stuff.