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> We hold AI to a pretty high standard of correctness, as we should, but humans are not that reliable on matters of fact, let alone on rigor of reasoning. I ne

> We hold AI to a pretty high standard of correctness, as we should, but humans are not that reliable on matters of fact, let alone on rigor of reasoning. I never understood this line of reasoning. 1. Humans can't run faster than 30 mph. 2. Therefore we can't complain if cars/trains/transport always go slower than 30 mph. These comparisons also hide that we are comparing best of AI (massive LLMs) with median/average human reasoning.

XenophileJKO 2y ago
The whole social dynamic of this conversation is amazing. How fast complacency happened. In 2010 if you told me I could get a model to respond approximately as intelligently as a low intelligence human, I would be amazed. As a matter of perspective,I am still amazed. At the same time I see such negative sentiment around the capabilities at their current limits. We are reaching an era of commodified intelligence, which will be disruptive and surprising. Even the current limited models change the economics dramatically.
- eru 2y ago
  > Even the current limited models change the economics dramatically. Yes, though at the moment they hype is still a lot bigger than the impact. But I am fairly confident that even without any new technical ideas for the networks themselves, we will see a lot more economic impact over the next few years, as people work out how to use these new tools. (Of course, the networks will also evolve still.)
  - naasking 2y ago
    I think the impact is already understated. Every non-technical person I know that's still working has used ChatGPT for work at some point, and quite a few of them are using it regularly. And I'm nowhere near Silicon Valley or any serious tech hub.
    - eru 2y ago
      Yes, they are great for helping with writer's block or for replacing a Google search. But there's a lot of stuff they can't really do (in their current form), or can't do reliable, yet. > Every non-technical person I know that's still working has used ChatGPT for work at some point, and quite a few of them are using it regularly. And I'm nowhere near Silicon Valley or any serious tech hub. Yes, that makes me optimistic for their future, too.
- a_victorp 2y ago
  The main issue is the expectations. The companies behind these models marketed them as being intelligent or close to it so it's natural for people to expect that and react as such when the expectations are not met
- cscurmudgeon 2y ago
  Nobody is disputing that. Just because we have gone to the Moon doesn’t imply we are at Mars.

XenophileJKO 2y ago

The whole social dynamic of this conversation is amazing. How fast complacency happened. In 2010 if you told me I could get a model to respond approximately as intelligently as a low intelligence human, I would be amazed. As a matter of perspective,I am still amazed. At the same time I see such negative sentiment around the capabilities at their current limits. We are reaching an era of commodified intelligence, which will be disruptive and surprising. Even the current limited models change the economics dramatically.

eru 2y ago
> Even the current limited models change the economics dramatically. Yes, though at the moment they hype is still a lot bigger than the impact. But I am fairly confident that even without any new technical ideas for the networks themselves, we will see a lot more economic impact over the next few years, as people work out how to use these new tools. (Of course, the networks will also evolve still.)
- naasking 2y ago
  I think the impact is already understated. Every non-technical person I know that's still working has used ChatGPT for work at some point, and quite a few of them are using it regularly. And I'm nowhere near Silicon Valley or any serious tech hub.
  - eru 2y ago
    Yes, they are great for helping with writer's block or for replacing a Google search. But there's a lot of stuff they can't really do (in their current form), or can't do reliable, yet. > Every non-technical person I know that's still working has used ChatGPT for work at some point, and quite a few of them are using it regularly. And I'm nowhere near Silicon Valley or any serious tech hub. Yes, that makes me optimistic for their future, too.
a_victorp 2y ago
The main issue is the expectations. The companies behind these models marketed them as being intelligent or close to it so it's natural for people to expect that and react as such when the expectations are not met
cscurmudgeon 2y ago
Nobody is disputing that. Just because we have gone to the Moon doesn’t imply we are at Mars.