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Claude will do it for you.

by underdeserver 2y ago

timeon 2y ago
Why bother.
reocha 2y ago
What is the point in doing a programming challenge if you aren't learning anything
- ghjfrdghibt 2y ago
  Depends if you're really stuck on a problem. I'd rather learn by getting a look at how it's done, even if the code is incorrect, than be completely suck with no idea why or what to do.
  - rnewme 2y ago
    Being stuck with no idea why or what to do is what gets you exploring and figuring things out. That's the whole point...
    - ghjfrdghibt 2y ago
      That all well and good until you hit a brick wall you cannot pass. At this point a helping hand and/or the answer is the only way forward or to learn.
      - miningape 2y ago
        > you cannot pass This is his entire point: getting to this brick wall is _where_ the real learning happens. When you start scrambling, reading old stackoverflow posts, and breaking out the calculus text book you're pushing the boundaries of what is possible for you. Body builders don't grow by watching other people lift weights.
        ghjfrdghibt 2y ago
        Agree to disagree. Don't see any difference with finding the answers on SO, or in textbooks, and having an AI provide the same. And at the start, novice body builders will of course watch other body builders to learn how it's done. Unless you're exceptional you're not teaching yourself anything unless it's by learning from others. Few are the pioneers in any field.
        rnewme 2y ago
        How do they become pioneers? By digging into the body of knowledge. They know what books and authors are good, what blogs to read, they posted questions on SO. They don't search for direct answers, but instead they search for the knowledge that allowed the person who made the question to make the question, and person who found solutions to find the solution. Looking how it's done doesn't equal you doing it. It's apples to oranges. OP was referring to needing to do work in the gym to get results. You didn't get results if you looked at others and did the same in the advent of code etc. You are merely entertaining yourself, but you are not competitive participant. With that approach you'll never be on top. There are people who use frameworks and people who write frameworks. The first group struggles when there is no official documentation or tutorial on a topic they need. The second group when faced with the same goes through the source code and gets the answers. Bottom line is the question of what you want to achieve - just go through the problems and be done with them, or deep dive into new topics ans material, to widen your knowledge?
        ghjfrdghibt 2y ago
        I don't see much to disgree with in what you're saying. Were clearly talking about different things. What happens when you dig in and exhaust all your best efforts and still don't find a solution? Are you a lost cause because you couldn't figure it out for yourself? Or are you allowed to be shown the way it's done so you can learn from that? Many times in my life have I not been able to figure something out for myself, and needed shown how the thing was done. Just because I couldn't do it on my own doesn't mean I wasn't capable of either doing it once shown, or that by being shown I didn't learn anything.
  - tsukikage 2y ago
    Consider looking at the solutions threads on Reddit instead - that way, the code you're looking at isn't broken in ways you don't know enough to spot.
    - mbrameld 2y ago
      I think in that case you can only guarantee that the code you're looking at isn't broken in some ways neither I or the author on Reddit know enough to spot. If Claude generates it and it produces correct output for the challenge but is subtly broken on some edge case not in the challenge input, how is it difference from pulling some code from Reddit that produces correct output for the challenge but is subtly broken on some edge case not in the challenge input?
- underdeserver 2y ago
  Maybe I'm interested in solving the algorithmic problem and less interested in writing input parsers...
- 98codes 2y ago
  For me, it's my ability to give feedback directly to a dev team building out an imperative language for use in our products: what was easy, what's a PITA, what are big, glaring gaps making things impossible, etc.
- mbrameld 2y ago
  Here's your opportunity to learn something: Different people can get enjoyment from the same thing in different ways, and you can learn things about data structures and algorithms without learning the syntax of a particular language to implement them.
  - reocha 2y ago
    You don't need an ai to do any of that.
    - mbrameld 2y ago
      But you can use an AI to do all of it effectively. What's your point?
talldayo 2y ago
So will Fiverr. Who cares?
tirpen 2y ago
"Running a marathon is hard work, but a car will do it for you." Sure, but then what's the point?

Claude will do it for you.

timeon 2y ago

Why bother.

reocha 2y ago

What is the point in doing a programming challenge if you aren't learning anything

ghjfrdghibt 2y ago
Depends if you're really stuck on a problem. I'd rather learn by getting a look at how it's done, even if the code is incorrect, than be completely suck with no idea why or what to do.
- rnewme 2y ago
  Being stuck with no idea why or what to do is what gets you exploring and figuring things out. That's the whole point...
  - ghjfrdghibt 2y ago
    That all well and good until you hit a brick wall you cannot pass. At this point a helping hand and/or the answer is the only way forward or to learn.
    - miningape 2y ago
      > you cannot pass This is his entire point: getting to this brick wall is _where_ the real learning happens. When you start scrambling, reading old stackoverflow posts, and breaking out the calculus text book you're pushing the boundaries of what is possible for you. Body builders don't grow by watching other people lift weights.
      - ghjfrdghibt 2y ago
        Agree to disagree. Don't see any difference with finding the answers on SO, or in textbooks, and having an AI provide the same. And at the start, novice body builders will of course watch other body builders to learn how it's done. Unless you're exceptional you're not teaching yourself anything unless it's by learning from others. Few are the pioneers in any field.
        rnewme 2y ago
        How do they become pioneers? By digging into the body of knowledge. They know what books and authors are good, what blogs to read, they posted questions on SO. They don't search for direct answers, but instead they search for the knowledge that allowed the person who made the question to make the question, and person who found solutions to find the solution. Looking how it's done doesn't equal you doing it. It's apples to oranges. OP was referring to needing to do work in the gym to get results. You didn't get results if you looked at others and did the same in the advent of code etc. You are merely entertaining yourself, but you are not competitive participant. With that approach you'll never be on top. There are people who use frameworks and people who write frameworks. The first group struggles when there is no official documentation or tutorial on a topic they need. The second group when faced with the same goes through the source code and gets the answers. Bottom line is the question of what you want to achieve - just go through the problems and be done with them, or deep dive into new topics ans material, to widen your knowledge?
        ghjfrdghibt 2y ago
        I don't see much to disgree with in what you're saying. Were clearly talking about different things. What happens when you dig in and exhaust all your best efforts and still don't find a solution? Are you a lost cause because you couldn't figure it out for yourself? Or are you allowed to be shown the way it's done so you can learn from that? Many times in my life have I not been able to figure something out for myself, and needed shown how the thing was done. Just because I couldn't do it on my own doesn't mean I wasn't capable of either doing it once shown, or that by being shown I didn't learn anything.
- tsukikage 2y ago
  Consider looking at the solutions threads on Reddit instead - that way, the code you're looking at isn't broken in ways you don't know enough to spot.
  - mbrameld 2y ago
    I think in that case you can only guarantee that the code you're looking at isn't broken in some ways neither I or the author on Reddit know enough to spot. If Claude generates it and it produces correct output for the challenge but is subtly broken on some edge case not in the challenge input, how is it difference from pulling some code from Reddit that produces correct output for the challenge but is subtly broken on some edge case not in the challenge input?
underdeserver 2y ago
Maybe I'm interested in solving the algorithmic problem and less interested in writing input parsers...
98codes 2y ago
For me, it's my ability to give feedback directly to a dev team building out an imperative language for use in our products: what was easy, what's a PITA, what are big, glaring gaps making things impossible, etc.
mbrameld 2y ago
Here's your opportunity to learn something: Different people can get enjoyment from the same thing in different ways, and you can learn things about data structures and algorithms without learning the syntax of a particular language to implement them.
- reocha 2y ago
  You don't need an ai to do any of that.
  - mbrameld 2y ago
    But you can use an AI to do all of it effectively. What's your point?

talldayo 2y ago

So will Fiverr. Who cares?

tirpen 2y ago

"Running a marathon is hard work, but a car will do it for you." Sure, but then what's the point?