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The Catholic Church does retain elements of Aristotelian metaphysics in its theology. A great example is the Catholic teaching of transubstantiation, wherein su

The Catholic Church does retain elements of Aristotelian metaphysics in its theology. A great example is the Catholic teaching of transubstantiation, wherein subject and accident terminology is utilized to explain how bread and wine become the body and blood of Christ while retaining the characteristics of the original elements. Church history is fascinating, even if one isn't a Christian.

082349872349872 2y ago
The bit about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin also becomes more interesting after one realises the question was not one of determining some finite number, but finite or infinite — do angels* have volume? (I don't think theologians distinguished countable infinities from other infinities; that's much more recent, right?) * this is probably also a lesson that, before spending a thousand years arguing over whether class C has property P or not, it might be wise to demonstrate, first, that C is indeed inhabited?
- gsf_emergency 2y ago
  Re: zero-extension of Golden Path. Only riffing on out-of-fictional-universe concepts if the father (pre-god) showed that prescience was possible, then the son must show that that immunity to prescience is trivial, and one (& only?) Way to achieve that is to make sure everything happens at once.. Re: metal vs stone https://www.dong-chinese.com/wiki/%E4%B9%90 https://www.dong-chinese.com/wiki/%E4%B9%90 Note that the bell was a later addition. Earlier (de)script(ion) only had gourds on a (wooden?) base, retconned to threads on a base. Phonology further hints that the metallic twang* (in qing/zhong) hadn't encroached on the vibes yet. In parallel (I guess), the qing evolved from the qin -- a completely organic instrument https://www.360doc.cn/article/31905874_1086747931.html https://www.360doc.cn/article/31905874_1086747931.html （immortal inventors) *bronze bows?
  - 082349872349872 2y ago
    metallophones vs xylophones are machines vs mandalas* in music? * https://contraptions.venkateshrao.com/p/between-mandala-and-machine https://contraptions.venkateshrao.com/p/between-mandala-and-... Something which I've only been vibing thus far is the idea that Morlocks/Children of Martha ought not to be worried about the mandalas of Eloi/Children of Mary (except when practising husbandry for sustenance!), which is a very machine orientation. In the CH context, I hope we're aiming for the upper right quadrant, with Solidarity driving the caring and Know-how driving the knowing, with generally accepted ideas being that the more we know, the more we can afford to care, and the more we care, the faster we can make knowledge-positive adjustments across a society not all of whose members are particularly knowledge-adjacent. (the former emphasised on the centre-right and the latter on the centre-left) As with other electorates, the centre is clearly weaker than it was two decades ago, but it still exists (if reduced to a single "the middle" party); when the far right truthfully claims to be the largest party, they mean they are currently the largest within a 5-major-party system. Also something I take to be a positive sign: when I first came here, the far right, as is customary, wrapped their candidates in the flag; part of their electoral success has been via moderation: making such blatant emotional appeals more rarely.
    - gsf_emergency 2y ago
      Very nice, I hadn't read that either.. >wrapped their candidates in the flag Captain Helvetica? Who shall captain Finningia? Let me know what orientation you think MAC is https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42345337 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42345337 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42175664 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42175664 (Mutual Adoption Club)
      - 082349872349872 2y ago
        MACs really remind me of my hobbyhorse of constructing a "felt of society" (an irregular interwoven structure is fairly isotropic) instead of a "fabric of society" (a regular structure produces cleavage axes along which it's easily torn). Unfortunately marketing (of both the economic and the political kinds) aims squarely at the latter. (also, the english phrase "kith and kin", which I've heard Bay Area denizens interpret as "kin are the ones you didn't get to choose; kith are the ones you do") I'd call them on the caring end: the "traditional" (in the sense that the middle class cares, and cared, about them in a picture-postcard way the most) family is mechanistic because it is so legible. I'd say in my limited working class experience that the working class is more pragmatic than sentimental and so you'll find more MAC-like arrangements (if not so far along, but certainly acknowledged more than among the neighbours of Mrs. Grundy) because in that milieu, whatever works, works. [Captain Helvetia would explain .ch; at least my 5 CHF coins indicate Helvetia is traditionally female, agreeing with the Suomi-neito, who can be depicted in the shape of the country, either realistically: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/ApJcldK7o4HS89KSKHIQALhu-qUm1yszs7GBY4l0CQRQf-e7vMt3YHAVs9bWDgDP9yVmIeuu63lm0Dvg4DYiOfehorJAlhoxB-ULhyTjK6FtR9NDCSkRYWjrz4d6j28pLufUM1ck4fE https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/ApJcldK7o4HS89KSKHIQ... or anime-style: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/19/23/a9/1923a92eb1364852df380a3205155567.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/originals/19/23/a9/1923a92eb1364852df38... ]

082349872349872 2y ago

The bit about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin also becomes more interesting after one realises the question was not one of determining some finite number, but finite or infinite — do angels* have volume? (I don't think theologians distinguished countable infinities from other infinities; that's much more recent, right?) * this is probably also a lesson that, before spending a thousand years arguing over whether class C has property P or not, it might be wise to demonstrate, first, that C is indeed inhabited?

gsf_emergency 2y ago
Re: zero-extension of Golden Path. Only riffing on out-of-fictional-universe concepts if the father (pre-god) showed that prescience was possible, then the son must show that that immunity to prescience is trivial, and one (& only?) Way to achieve that is to make sure everything happens at once.. Re: metal vs stone https://www.dong-chinese.com/wiki/%E4%B9%90 https://www.dong-chinese.com/wiki/%E4%B9%90 Note that the bell was a later addition. Earlier (de)script(ion) only had gourds on a (wooden?) base, retconned to threads on a base. Phonology further hints that the metallic twang* (in qing/zhong) hadn't encroached on the vibes yet. In parallel (I guess), the qing evolved from the qin -- a completely organic instrument https://www.360doc.cn/article/31905874_1086747931.html https://www.360doc.cn/article/31905874_1086747931.html （immortal inventors) *bronze bows?
- 082349872349872 2y ago
  metallophones vs xylophones are machines vs mandalas* in music? * https://contraptions.venkateshrao.com/p/between-mandala-and-machine https://contraptions.venkateshrao.com/p/between-mandala-and-... Something which I've only been vibing thus far is the idea that Morlocks/Children of Martha ought not to be worried about the mandalas of Eloi/Children of Mary (except when practising husbandry for sustenance!), which is a very machine orientation. In the CH context, I hope we're aiming for the upper right quadrant, with Solidarity driving the caring and Know-how driving the knowing, with generally accepted ideas being that the more we know, the more we can afford to care, and the more we care, the faster we can make knowledge-positive adjustments across a society not all of whose members are particularly knowledge-adjacent. (the former emphasised on the centre-right and the latter on the centre-left) As with other electorates, the centre is clearly weaker than it was two decades ago, but it still exists (if reduced to a single "the middle" party); when the far right truthfully claims to be the largest party, they mean they are currently the largest within a 5-major-party system. Also something I take to be a positive sign: when I first came here, the far right, as is customary, wrapped their candidates in the flag; part of their electoral success has been via moderation: making such blatant emotional appeals more rarely.
  - gsf_emergency 2y ago
    Very nice, I hadn't read that either.. >wrapped their candidates in the flag Captain Helvetica? Who shall captain Finningia? Let me know what orientation you think MAC is https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42345337 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42345337 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42175664 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42175664 (Mutual Adoption Club)
    - 082349872349872 2y ago
      MACs really remind me of my hobbyhorse of constructing a "felt of society" (an irregular interwoven structure is fairly isotropic) instead of a "fabric of society" (a regular structure produces cleavage axes along which it's easily torn). Unfortunately marketing (of both the economic and the political kinds) aims squarely at the latter. (also, the english phrase "kith and kin", which I've heard Bay Area denizens interpret as "kin are the ones you didn't get to choose; kith are the ones you do") I'd call them on the caring end: the "traditional" (in the sense that the middle class cares, and cared, about them in a picture-postcard way the most) family is mechanistic because it is so legible. I'd say in my limited working class experience that the working class is more pragmatic than sentimental and so you'll find more MAC-like arrangements (if not so far along, but certainly acknowledged more than among the neighbours of Mrs. Grundy) because in that milieu, whatever works, works. [Captain Helvetia would explain .ch; at least my 5 CHF coins indicate Helvetia is traditionally female, agreeing with the Suomi-neito, who can be depicted in the shape of the country, either realistically: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/ApJcldK7o4HS89KSKHIQALhu-qUm1yszs7GBY4l0CQRQf-e7vMt3YHAVs9bWDgDP9yVmIeuu63lm0Dvg4DYiOfehorJAlhoxB-ULhyTjK6FtR9NDCSkRYWjrz4d6j28pLufUM1ck4fE https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/ApJcldK7o4HS89KSKHIQ... or anime-style: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/19/23/a9/1923a92eb1364852df380a3205155567.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/originals/19/23/a9/1923a92eb1364852df38... ]