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> On the other hand, whenever a Black person is successful, it's okay to mention that in the headline. But I agree it's a bit off. For example it's OK for the

> On the other hand, whenever a Black person is successful, it's okay to mention that in the headline. But I agree it's a bit off. For example it's OK for the NYT to mention that SBF is a genius and that he's an effective altruist in headlines as long as his ponzi is not exposed, but as soon as it's exposed, suddenly no mention of "effective altruism" (despite several people from that movement personally and illegally benefiting from "donations" from SBF [1]) nor any mention of "genius" anymore. We're kind of used to headlines working that way. [1] even years and maybe even decades later there's hope some of these funds shall be clawed back from these people though (people who suddenly now have a very low profile)

Yeul 2y ago
Effective altruism is called "taxation" in my country. It's been an ongoing success for a 1000 years.
- f33d5173 2y ago
  Taxes are used for building roads, not curing malaria. It's so odd how angry people get when someone tries to help others.
  - mszyndel 2y ago
    Oh boy, do I have news for you about how malaria was eradicated in Europe https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8277918/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8277918/
    - f33d5173 2y ago
      Without clicking your link, I'm guessing it was either a friendship program of the chinese government (one of the more altruistic governments, even among governments), or possibly a UN program (the UN is sometimes called the "united altruists") which simultaneously eradicated it worldwide. Was I close?
  - quickthrowman 2y ago
    The federal government was instrumental in eradicating malaria from the United States: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Malaria_Eradication_Program https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Malaria_Eradication...
    - f33d5173 2y ago
      How very altruistic, eradicating malaria in one's own country. With that headstart, surely they must have finished curing it worldwide by now.
  - Intralexical 2y ago
    > It's so odd how angry people get when someone tries to help others. That's an odd description, given that the anger is because "effective altruism" is seen as neither effective at helping others nor honest about altruistic motives.
    - f33d5173 2y ago
      Despite manifold evidence that they are. See the sbf case. They get implicated for being recipients of donations from a fraudster. That's not a serious demonstration that they aren't altruistic and don't care about helping others.

Yeul 2y ago

Effective altruism is called "taxation" in my country. It's been an ongoing success for a 1000 years.

f33d5173 2y ago
Taxes are used for building roads, not curing malaria. It's so odd how angry people get when someone tries to help others.
- mszyndel 2y ago
  Oh boy, do I have news for you about how malaria was eradicated in Europe https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8277918/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8277918/
  - f33d5173 2y ago
    Without clicking your link, I'm guessing it was either a friendship program of the chinese government (one of the more altruistic governments, even among governments), or possibly a UN program (the UN is sometimes called the "united altruists") which simultaneously eradicated it worldwide. Was I close?
- quickthrowman 2y ago
  The federal government was instrumental in eradicating malaria from the United States: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Malaria_Eradication_Program https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Malaria_Eradication...
  - f33d5173 2y ago
    How very altruistic, eradicating malaria in one's own country. With that headstart, surely they must have finished curing it worldwide by now.
- Intralexical 2y ago
  > It's so odd how angry people get when someone tries to help others. That's an odd description, given that the anger is because "effective altruism" is seen as neither effective at helping others nor honest about altruistic motives.
  - f33d5173 2y ago
    Despite manifold evidence that they are. See the sbf case. They get implicated for being recipients of donations from a fraudster. That's not a serious demonstration that they aren't altruistic and don't care about helping others.