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I think it is pretty obvious not all murderers are the same. Killing someone in self defense though murder is hardly someone who is evil or needs to change. I

by 14 2y ago

I think it is pretty obvious not all murderers are the same. Killing someone in self defense though murder is hardly someone who is evil or needs to change. I think what this article fails to do is distinguish the different types of murderers. It discusses a guy with extreme mental illness who kills his mom. I do not think that person is born evil and in the article it states he eventually expresses his remorse and sadness that he killed his mom. But other type of murderers, they are just not right in the head. And maybe that too is a type of mental illness but some people are just evil and killing is in their nature. Those people can not change. Maybe they can reach a point in there life that they don't need to act on their impulses but that dark passenger does not leave them. And since they can not ever shed that dark passenger they can never be let back into society again.

yawpitch 2y ago
> And since they can not ever shed that dark passenger they can never be let back into society again. Words written by someone still sufficiently (and blissfully) ignorant enough of their own dark passenger they can still write these words. May you one day learn why those words are so deeply ignorant… may and everyone survive your meeting your dark passenger(s). Everyone can change; most don’t want to.
- 14 2y ago
  No not everyone can change. There are broken people out there full stop. Nothing can take that away from them. That is like saying Homosexuality is wrong they just don't want to change. No they can not change. That is who they are. And for some people that is that desire to be evil. I am not ignorant of my dark passenger in fact quite the opposite. I just have a stronger light passenger guiding my way.
ksaj 2y ago
Murder requires premeditation, so that precludes self defense. The two parts are: The killing of someone without legal justification (such as self defense), and the premeditated plan to accomplish it. There is something called "mens rea," the guilty mindset, that informs the court of guilt or innocence. This will get you into manslaughter and other shades or degrees of killing, too. The rest of what you said, I generally agree with. If you believe someone with a mental condition can sometimes "come around," then you'd also have to believe that someone who killed because of a DSM-5 defined condition that lists it as a symptom or hallmark can be cured of the triggers that made them do it. But I'm sure in most cases that privilege has to be long fought for. I always thought the Biblical command should have been "Thou shalt not murder" since it is absolutely possible to kill without even a trace of mens rea. Auto accidents are a good example. And war killing in the Bible, as in modern life, isn't considered murder either (Geneva Convention subjects aside). There is legal justification.

by 14 2y ago

yawpitch 2y ago

> And since they can not ever shed that dark passenger they can never be let back into society again. Words written by someone still sufficiently (and blissfully) ignorant enough of their own dark passenger they can still write these words. May you one day learn why those words are so deeply ignorant… may and everyone survive your meeting your dark passenger(s). Everyone can change; most don’t want to.

14 2y ago
No not everyone can change. There are broken people out there full stop. Nothing can take that away from them. That is like saying Homosexuality is wrong they just don't want to change. No they can not change. That is who they are. And for some people that is that desire to be evil. I am not ignorant of my dark passenger in fact quite the opposite. I just have a stronger light passenger guiding my way.

ksaj 2y ago

Murder requires premeditation, so that precludes self defense. The two parts are: The killing of someone without legal justification (such as self defense), and the premeditated plan to accomplish it. There is something called "mens rea," the guilty mindset, that informs the court of guilt or innocence. This will get you into manslaughter and other shades or degrees of killing, too. The rest of what you said, I generally agree with. If you believe someone with a mental condition can sometimes "come around," then you'd also have to believe that someone who killed because of a DSM-5 defined condition that lists it as a symptom or hallmark can be cured of the triggers that made them do it. But I'm sure in most cases that privilege has to be long fought for. I always thought the Biblical command should have been "Thou shalt not murder" since it is absolutely possible to kill without even a trace of mens rea. Auto accidents are a good example. And war killing in the Bible, as in modern life, isn't considered murder either (Geneva Convention subjects aside). There is legal justification.