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>"The way forward lies in open-source initiatives, crowdfunded projects, and collaborative efforts that prioritize human outcomes over institutional metrics."

>"The way forward lies in open-source initiatives, crowdfunded projects, and collaborative efforts that prioritize human outcomes over institutional metrics." Is it me, or does it feel like developing software for BigCorp sucks for at least these reasons too? That said, there's also the Baumol cost disease: in certain service industries, productivity increases are difficult to make (or even measure, really). We've tried to automate teaching and healthcare (&art!), but the results are mixed.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baumol_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baumol_effect

card_zero 2y ago
Interesting, that puts doctors and teachers in the same boat as artists and police officers.
dghlsakjg 2y ago
Part of it may be that we have already done the easy parts of making medicine and education efficient. I can watch a lecture from a world class professor on my bus ride, or get an alert from my watch if I have an arrhythmia. If I want to ask the professor a question, or figure out why I have an arrhythmia I need to get personal attention and that is much harder.
- gsf_emergency 2y ago
  Definitely (imho)! For more entertainment in this direction, consider looking at the not-very-conclusive back&forth between SSC (a healthcare practioner) & Robin Hanson (a theorist) on the effectiveness of healthcare spending. [It's telling that the practioner is in the house that believes that healthcare spending has been mostly effective.. re: SSC is saying that "the easy parts are still there?"] https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/highlights-from-the-comments-on-hanson https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/highlights-from-the-comment...
- gdjskshh 2y ago
  It's fairly well accepted [citation needed?] that the most effective form of academic education is private tutoring by skilled tutors. We're (possibly) on the cusp of that being accessible to everyone via LLMs. In that brave new world schools need to shift towards a focus on development of personal character. MDs, at least those that you speak to in person, need to focus on bedside manner.
  - gsf_emergency 2y ago
    You don't think Aldous Huxley would be dandy with android MD's ;)?
    - 082349872349872 2y ago
      Do people wind up in (what we would call) hospital in BNW, or do they get given an overdose* of soma while the next one gets decanted? * compare George V's last moments (time, manner, and place; especially time) I'd call it an influence, except it happened 4 years after BNW was published.
      - gsf_emergency 2y ago
        I hadn't read Island but I'd like to imagine those kin of Hugin/Munin are cyborg MDs :) >Farnaby awakens on the island with a leg injury, hearing a myna bird screaming "Attention" Here Aldous seems to have gone beyond merely reacting to neoEdwardism..
        082349872349872 2y ago
        Huh, found it at https://gutenberg.ca/ebooks/huxleya-island/huxleya-island-00-e.html https://gutenberg.ca/ebooks/huxleya-island/huxleya-island-00... So far reminding me a bit (in backstory) of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Twenty-One_Balloons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Twenty-One_Balloons
        gsf_emergency 2y ago
        Grateful for the refs (incl. the aristotelian epigraph, the newbery) >Will remembered suddenly his favourite worst line of poetry. https://harpers.org/2009/10/arnolds-to-a-friend/ https://harpers.org/2009/10/arnolds-to-a-friend/ >The up-beat high Victorian view of art as a cure to the woes of society https://harpers.org/2009/10/forster-what-the-great-minds-tell-us-in-sad-times/ https://harpers.org/2009/10/forster-what-the-great-minds-tel... 地獄楽 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell%27s_Paradise:_Jigokuraku https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell%27s_Paradise:_Jigokuraku

card_zero 2y ago

Interesting, that puts doctors and teachers in the same boat as artists and police officers.

dghlsakjg 2y ago

Part of it may be that we have already done the easy parts of making medicine and education efficient. I can watch a lecture from a world class professor on my bus ride, or get an alert from my watch if I have an arrhythmia. If I want to ask the professor a question, or figure out why I have an arrhythmia I need to get personal attention and that is much harder.

gsf_emergency 2y ago
Definitely (imho)! For more entertainment in this direction, consider looking at the not-very-conclusive back&forth between SSC (a healthcare practioner) & Robin Hanson (a theorist) on the effectiveness of healthcare spending. [It's telling that the practioner is in the house that believes that healthcare spending has been mostly effective.. re: SSC is saying that "the easy parts are still there?"] https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/highlights-from-the-comments-on-hanson https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/highlights-from-the-comment...
gdjskshh 2y ago
It's fairly well accepted [citation needed?] that the most effective form of academic education is private tutoring by skilled tutors. We're (possibly) on the cusp of that being accessible to everyone via LLMs. In that brave new world schools need to shift towards a focus on development of personal character. MDs, at least those that you speak to in person, need to focus on bedside manner.
- gsf_emergency 2y ago
  You don't think Aldous Huxley would be dandy with android MD's ;)?
  - 082349872349872 2y ago
    Do people wind up in (what we would call) hospital in BNW, or do they get given an overdose* of soma while the next one gets decanted? * compare George V's last moments (time, manner, and place; especially time) I'd call it an influence, except it happened 4 years after BNW was published.
    - gsf_emergency 2y ago
      I hadn't read Island but I'd like to imagine those kin of Hugin/Munin are cyborg MDs :) >Farnaby awakens on the island with a leg injury, hearing a myna bird screaming "Attention" Here Aldous seems to have gone beyond merely reacting to neoEdwardism..
      - 082349872349872 2y ago
        Huh, found it at https://gutenberg.ca/ebooks/huxleya-island/huxleya-island-00-e.html https://gutenberg.ca/ebooks/huxleya-island/huxleya-island-00... So far reminding me a bit (in backstory) of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Twenty-One_Balloons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Twenty-One_Balloons
        gsf_emergency 2y ago
        Grateful for the refs (incl. the aristotelian epigraph, the newbery) >Will remembered suddenly his favourite worst line of poetry. https://harpers.org/2009/10/arnolds-to-a-friend/ https://harpers.org/2009/10/arnolds-to-a-friend/ >The up-beat high Victorian view of art as a cure to the woes of society https://harpers.org/2009/10/forster-what-the-great-minds-tell-us-in-sad-times/ https://harpers.org/2009/10/forster-what-the-great-minds-tel... 地獄楽 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell%27s_Paradise:_Jigokuraku https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell%27s_Paradise:_Jigokuraku