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Have you never worked at a multinational company?

by bogota 2y ago

alganet 2y ago
I did, multiple times with multiple countries. All of them had some sort of call rotation. Someone was always at the helm, _specially_ in infrastructure and security. There are whole startups designed to solve this, like PagerDuty. I am now very curious to understand where your question comes from. There must be some misunderstanding here. You never went on-call or seen a friend do it?
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > You never went on-call or seen a friend do it? Red herring [1]. OP said it’s malicious or incompetent to release this on a U.S. holiday weekend. You asked if similar consideration would be given to Brazil. Multiple people chimed in that it would. You’re now pivoting to on-call capacity. Any amount of on-call capacity can be saturated. That’s why competent multinationals avoid releasing while markets they’re likely to impact are sleeping or drunk. This is a high-level scheduling operation, however, so it’s reasonable for those lower in the organisation to be unaware why an update is being pushed next Tuesday instead of this. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring
  - alganet 2y ago
    You can totally ignore the red herring and focus on the first part. In the end I was just paraphrasing the comment I replied to. Rotations exist, specially in large organizations, or when there's shared responsibility. Now we're talking nonsense about "you said, he said", this conversation makes no sense. I am much less invested in this than you think.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > Rotations exist Straw man [1]. Nobody claimed otherwise. Rotation or always-on isn’t a substitute for being aware of your customers. Good culture permeate this throughout the organisation. Competent ones have someone at the top ensuring controls are followed. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
      - alganet 2y ago
        Sorry, I lost the track. Can you explain the point you made precisely, in the context of the original subject?

Have you never worked at a multinational company?

by bogota 2y ago

Have you never worked at a multinational company?

I did, multiple times with multiple countries. All of them had some sort of call rotation. Someone was always at the helm, _specially_ in infrastructure and security. There are whole startups designed to solve this, like PagerDuty. I am now very curious to understand where your question comes from. There must be some misunderstanding here. You never went on-call or seen a friend do it?

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> You never went on-call or seen a friend do it? Red herring [1]. OP said it’s malicious or incompetent to release this on a U.S. holiday weekend. You asked if similar consideration would be given to Brazil. Multiple people chimed in that it would. You’re now pivoting to on-call capacity. Any amount of on-call capacity can be saturated. That’s why competent multinationals avoid releasing while markets they’re likely to impact are sleeping or drunk. This is a high-level scheduling operation, however, so it’s reasonable for those lower in the organisation to be unaware why an update is being pushed next Tuesday instead of this. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring
- alganet 2y ago
  You can totally ignore the red herring and focus on the first part. In the end I was just paraphrasing the comment I replied to. Rotations exist, specially in large organizations, or when there's shared responsibility. Now we're talking nonsense about "you said, he said", this conversation makes no sense. I am much less invested in this than you think.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > Rotations exist Straw man [1]. Nobody claimed otherwise. Rotation or always-on isn’t a substitute for being aware of your customers. Good culture permeate this throughout the organisation. Competent ones have someone at the top ensuring controls are followed. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
    - alganet 2y ago
      Sorry, I lost the track. Can you explain the point you made precisely, in the context of the original subject?