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OpenWRT One Released: First Router Designed Specifically for OpenWrt
- evanjrowley 2y agoNice. I'll definitely consider using it. I love that it's got a battery powered RTC.
- throwaway2037 2y agoWhat is the alternative? No battery, but update via NNTP on reboot?
- evanjrowley 2y agoAssuming there's an active uplink that can reach a timeserver, then yes. The batter-powered RTC allows the router to serve more accurate time and maintain working HTTPS in the event it gets rebooted as a troubleshooting step for when the internet goes down, possibly for an extended period.
- vkdelta 2y agoWould other SoC suppliers ( Qualcomm, Broadcom) embrace it?
- c420 2y agoDo you mean open wrt? If yes, the devs have serious problems whenever they need to deal with broadcom because of all the proprietary blobs. So the number of supported chipsets is low.
- mrbuttons454 2y agoVery cool, but wish it was at least 2x2.5GbE.
- circularfoyers 2y agoI think it's unfortunate given the audience I imagine will make up most of its purchases. For example, the NBN in Australia just announced earlier this year it's first 2 Gbps residential plans (previously 1 Gbps being the maximum) planned for availability some time next year[1]. [1] https://www.nbnco.com.au/corporate-information/media-centre/media-statements/nbn-co-accelerates-multi-gigabit-speed-talks-with-retailers https://www.nbnco.com.au/corporate-information/media-centre/...
- throwaway2037 2y agoDo you have a WAN connect greater than 1GbE?
- kalleboo 2y agoWhere I live (Japan), 10 Gbit availability is starting to spread, I just got upgraded a few weeks ago, the monthly cost is the same. Ended up building a router out of a used ThinkCentre Tiny.
- sliken 2y agoSeems kinda weird, why one GigE and one 2.5GbE? Maybe they will make a one plus with double the ram and 2x2.5Gbe?
- geerlingguy 2y agoMost likely an IO limitation of the MediaTek MT7981B SoC used—it looks like it only has one lane of PCIe Gen 2, a USB 3.0 port, and one built-in 1 Gbps Ethernet controller (among a few other common low-speed interfaces)[1]. Typically these chips have bandwidth constraints, and it seems this one is meant for small routers, not the typical multi-2.5G or 10G setups some homelabbers would prefer. [1] https://mirror2.openwrt.org/docs/MT7981B_Wi-Fi6_Platform_Datasheet_Open_V1.0.pdf https://mirror2.openwrt.org/docs/MT7981B_Wi-Fi6_Platform_Dat...
- snvzz 2y agoIf the USB3 was exposed, it'd be possible to use e.g. Realtek rtl8125 for another 2.5g. Alas, it is not.
- anonym29 2y agoI have a gigabit connection from my ISP but I run a 2.5Gbe home network. Works perfectly for me.
- CharlesW 2y agoThe difference isn't that much (around 10% IIRC), but gigabit internet service needs a 2.5 GbE connection to your router if you want the full speed that it's capable of.
- inemesitaffia 2y agoI just don't agree period. Not even for a ten year old unmanaged DLink
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- StayTrue 2y agoSeems almost ideal if you don’t use it as an ethernet switch. A third radio for wireless mesh trunking is the only thing I see missing from my OpenWRT setup.
- bpye 2y agoThere is an M.2 slot, though only PCIe 2.0 x1. Possibly still good enough for reasonable bandwidth.
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- intsunny 2y agoAs an aside: Why can't DSL modems be a single USB dongle? Those of us with DSL connections must suffer either an extremely limited selection of DSL modem/routers that can run Linux/OpenWRT, or have to suffer running a Linux/OpenWRT router behind a DSL modem (that often has proprietary and out of date firmware).
- CursedSilicon 2y agoI tried for years to do similar when I lived in Australia. Though with a PCI/PCI-E card ZyXEL if I remember correctly did make an ADSL2+ at the time PCI-E card. Literally just a DSL modem wired to a Realtek 8139 NIC. You could slap it in a Linux (or BSD, or Windows) PC and just use PPPoE to connect to the internet Naturally it was impossible to order the damn thing and I never got to realize my dream of an "all-in-one" DSL Linux router. After moving to DOCSIS (Cable) internet I ran into the same confusing problem. "Thankfully" with Fiber everything is just ethernet (more or less) now. But it was an infuriating time in the 2010's
- numpad0 2y agoThere are fiber PON/ONU/UT/$JARGON in shape of an SFP module, though most customers don't appreciate such offering and therefore it'll be an upsell. As for why not USB specifically, probably because such a device is inherently much faster and responsive in upload to the Internet than downloads, and therefore it makes less sense.
- toast0 2y agoI'm just about to cancel my DSL, but when you run the modem in bridge mode, and run PPPoE on your actual NAT gateway if needed (which is sadly often the case), the modem firmware doesn't matter very much. I put together some stuff so I could transfer PPPoE sessions to a backup system and then I could reboot the NAT boxes for upgrates with minimal downtime. Sometimes, it even worked ;)
- bpye 2y ago> As an aside: Why can't DSL modems be a single USB dongle? They definitely existed in the UK for a time and were often supplied by ISPs. IIRC they were only supported in Windows XP, and drivers were never provided for Vista.
- shadowpho 2y agoSad that it’s wifi6 and not wifi6E. Can’t wait for wider adoption
- CursedSilicon 2y agoWorse still, Wi-Fi *7* devices are already out. Qualcomm's QCN9274's running on the "ath12k" chipset [1] have been a tempting DIY option. Though that module requires an external 3 amps at 5 Volt (15 watts!) to be soldered to it to operate [1] https://www.524wifi.com/index.php/network-modules-adapters/wifi-7-11be-modules/qcn9274-524wifi-wifi7-dream-9274-5g6g-qualcomm-dual-band-5-6-ghz-802-11be-2x2-mu-mimo-dbdc-wifi7-module-m-2-e-key-proplus.html https://www.524wifi.com/index.php/network-modules-adapters/w...
- jauntywundrkind 2y agoComplex (who I believe does most of Qualcomm's reference designs) has some newer models out, if you are willing to go down market some. Only 2x2 and lower power output, but they are powered off mini-pcie (and I think there are some m.2 models as well). https://compex.com.sg/shop/wifi-module/wle7002e25d-wifi7-11be-qcn6224-qcn6274-qcn9274/ https://compex.com.sg/shop/wifi-module/wle7002e25d-wifi7-11b... Not required, but you can solder a Multi Link Operation wire between multiple cards (within a single system), to enable them to work in concert together (basically as a 4x4 or whatnot). In case you still really miss soldering extra shit onto your cards!! Sponsored write-up, and longer/jargon-y-er than it needs to be, but still enjoyed this post: https://www.cnx-software.com/2024/11/07/compex-systems-wi-fi-7-modules-with-smart-connectors-enabling-seamless-multi-link-operation-mlo-integration-on-conventional-cpu-platforms/ https://www.cnx-software.com/2024/11/07/compex-systems-wi-fi...
- rubatuga 2y agolol, I'm still on 802.11n !
- SirMaster 2y agoAm I the only one who doesn’t even want their router to have wifi? I’d rather use wifi APs connected via PoE to a switch which is connected to the router. I feel like router and wifi should be separate so that I can expand and upgrade the wifi independently of the router.
- jolan 2y agoIf you want a more polished product, GL.iNet's Flint 2 is almost identical, has more ports, and runs stock OpenWrt just fine: https://openwrt.org/toh/gl.inet/gl-mt6000 https://openwrt.org/toh/gl.inet/gl-mt6000
- SubiculumCode 2y ago..in these geopolitical times....
- coretx 2y agoBoth have Mediatek IC's so I don't see your point.
- brunoqc 2y agoWhat do you mean?
- c420 2y agoChina backdoors, I presume
- throwaway2037 2y agoI am confused. MediaTek is from Taiwan. Have there been any verified backdoors from Taiwanese products?
- _mlbt 2y agoGL.iNet is based in Hong Kong, which is Chinese.
- thisislife2 2y agoBe careful of GL.iNet's products - some of them say they run OpenWRT, but they don't run stock OpenWRT and instead offer a version of OpenWRT supplied by the CPU manufacturer, with binary drivers and no source code.
- bradley13 2y agoWhy do routers always come with WiFi? Many people need/want to run a separate (mesh) network of APs. Having WiFi in the router, just to turn it off, seems a waste.
- AceJohnny2 2y agoOpenWRT was born from WiFi... That's the valuable stuff for most of the market. The "router" aspect was the bundled part. If you don't want wifi aspect, perhaps look at Mikrotik stuff?
- lxpz 2y agohttps://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/er605_v2?s[]=er605v2 https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/er605_v2?s[]=er605v2 This one doesn't have WiFi, just 5 Ethernet ports. It can be flashed openwrt with a very reasonable amount of tweaking. It's actually quite powerful and has 256M of RAM and 128M of flash memory. I have one, it's very cool.
- transpute 2y ago> In the default setup, the “Routing/NAT Offloading” for the ER605 is disabled. This may slow down the ER605 enormously (50% slower). Is that because of a binary blob dependency for offloading?
- HnUser12 2y agoSeems like they’re starting to do this as mesh is becoming common. In my apartment, my ISP has a permanently installed router without wifi. Then they just send you a wifi router or mesh devices depending on your requirements.
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- martin1975 2y agoI never buy routers w wifi. Running PC Engines APU4 with Ubiquiti AP is more rock solid/stable than anything else I ever ran which had wifi+wired in a single router.
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- mrbluecoat 2y agoWasn't the BPI-R3 also designed for OpenWRT?
- yellowapple 2y agoSo was the recent Linksys WRT series. The product description on Amazon (which Linksys presumably provided) explicitly advertises the WRT3200ACM as "[o]pen source ready with OpenWrt and DD WRT for complete flexibility and customization of networking functions, or to optimize your router for specific use cases". Likewise for the WRT1900AC: "For advanced users who want to customize their firmware, the WRT1900AC stays true to its lineage by offering an Open WRT compatible firmware with Open Source ready capabilities that allow advanced users to expand the capabilities of the Router.". The headline's (and article's) claim of the OpenWRT One being the "first router designed specifically for OpenWRT" is misleading, at best.
- aspenmayer 2y ago> The headline's (and article's) claim of the OpenWRT One being the "first router designed specifically for OpenWRT" is misleading, at best. This is the first “official” OpenWrt first-party developed and supported router. It also is intended to be the initial “blessed by OpenWrt devs” hardware configuration that will hopefully lead to further devices in the future. It’s also intended to help drive awareness and interest in the platform, with a known-good hardware and software platform, help build brand loyalty, and raise money for development of OpenWrt for the One and all other compatible devices. It’s something the community and the project maintainers have wanted to do for many years now. You can read more about the discussion leading up to this on the OpenWrt mailing list and forum. https://lists.openwrt.org/pipermail/openwrt-devel/2024-January/042018.html https://lists.openwrt.org/pipermail/openwrt-devel/2024-Janua... https://forum.openwrt.org/t/openwrt-one-celebrating-20-years-of-openwrt/183684 https://forum.openwrt.org/t/openwrt-one-celebrating-20-years... https://docs.banana-pi.org/en/OpenWRT-One/BananaPi_OpenWRT-One https://docs.banana-pi.org/en/OpenWRT-One/BananaPi_OpenWRT-O... https://openwrt.org/toh/openwrt/one https://openwrt.org/toh/openwrt/one
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- redundantly 2y agoI'd like to know if there are any binary blobs required to boot and/or use the Wi-Fi chip.
- madduci 2y ago> Priced at US$89 for a complete OpenWrt One with case (or US$68.42 for a caseless One's logic board) I see EUR €103 when I open the website.
- darkest_ruby 2y agoGl.inet is designed for openwrt is cheap and well tested.
- mattlondon 2y ago+1 - I have a "beryl" one I think and it worked well in a few situations (backup router at home, and replicating home WiFi SSID when travelling to places with random hotel wifi so I didn't need to reprogram all the kid's wifi-connected white noise machines/night-lights/cameras/monitors/etc - yes I realise this is absurd but we find it all useful for a stress-free life with tiny kids) Only complaint is the USB LTE dongle was super unintuitive to setup/use, and I felt like some of the translations were just flat out wrong so it was a bit of trial by error and factory resetting things when inadvertently bricking/locking myself out etc.
- deknos 2y agoIMHO: What we need is not another Router, there are already plenty out there which work with OpenWRT. What we need are more "level3-"switches with 24/48 ports which work well with OpenWRT. The only really good thing about this is the price.
- fh973 2y agoSpeaking of which... anyone know why there don't seem to be any managed 2.5 Gbit switches / chipsets? Can we expect them in the foreseeable future?
- 9x39 2y agoMikrotik, Ubiquiti, TrendNet, Mokerlink and all the other Chinese brands usually have something in this space (4-48 port managed L2 or L3 switches). A lot of the chipsets are mentioned in reviews on sites like ServeTheHome. The sub-enterprise, prosumer, SOHO-type market is pretty strong, but OpenWRT isn't a part of it -- not sure if that was a requirement.
- fh973 2y agoAt least Microtik doesn't have a switch with 24+ 2.5GigE ports.
- 9x39 2y agoTrue, and I admit I didn't think that was a literal requirement, more so just the availability of "some" mGig or 10G ports. What would the use case be for 24px2.5G switches, you think? They seem rare. The "home network with a NAS" is typically served with a small 4-8p 10G, while the 2.5/5G switches (particularly high density ones) are more of a bridge for orgs that have a lot of AP density and to get more out of that physical cable plant as they upgrade to WiFi 6e/7 devices on those existing wires. Gaming motherboards ship with up to 2.5/5, but again, how many switchports are needed for the SOHO market, especially when users can chain a few smaller switches together? The price point for mostly/full mGig switches is almost an order of magnitude over what the prosumer/SOHO space prices at. UI offers a 48p but with only 16x2.5 ports at $1300. Cisco Meraki has 48p models with full mGig but that's $7-10k based on Google, and now you're out of prosumer/SOHO and squarely in enterprise platforms. Ultimately, I do think such switches will pop up, but it'll be a little in the future as those enterprise dollars drive the cost of chipsets and transceivers down. Just not there yet to have that density at SOHO prices.
- aspenmayer 2y agoDevelopment discussion from the OpenWrt mailing list: https://lists.openwrt.org/pipermail/openwrt-devel/2024-January/042018.html https://lists.openwrt.org/pipermail/openwrt-devel/2024-Janua... Forum discussion: https://forum.openwrt.org/t/openwrt-one-celebrating-20-years-of-openwrt/183684 https://forum.openwrt.org/t/openwrt-one-celebrating-20-years... Manufacturer page, with diagrams and info about PoE module, etc: https://docs.banana-pi.org/en/OpenWRT-One/BananaPi_OpenWRT-One https://docs.banana-pi.org/en/OpenWRT-One/BananaPi_OpenWRT-O... OpenWrt Table of Hardware page for OpenWrt One: https://openwrt.org/toh/openwrt/one https://openwrt.org/toh/openwrt/one > OpenWrt One - specification, unboxing, web interface preview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ4itva1Cv8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ4itva1Cv8 > Open-Source-Router #OpenWrt One im Test https://www.youtube.com/shorts/STfbQW1rdzY https://www.youtube.com/shorts/STfbQW1rdzY > Open Source Router OpenWrt One in beta testing https://www.heise.de/tests/Open-Source-Router-OpenWrt-One-im-Beta-Test-9994213.html https://www.heise.de/tests/Open-Source-Router-OpenWrt-One-im... https://archive.is/joUa1 https://archive.is/joUa1 (archive of above link due to registration wall) They were good enough to actually put out some tests and specs! I included the performance numbers below; heise.de also includes physical dimensions and other stats that I didn't include below. > Measured values > WLAN 2.4 GHz (close / 20 m)[1] 341 / 206 Mbit/s > WLAN 5 GHz 809 / 533 Mbit/s > NAT Performance IP/IP (down- / upstream) 941 / 934 Mbit/s > NAT Performance PPPoE 936 / 934 Mbit/s > VPN Performance WireGuard 536 / 564 Mbit/s > SMB throughput (write / read)[2] 151 / 170 MByte/s > Power consumption [3] 5 watts >tested firmware OpenWrt SNAPSHOT r27777-4d81f40d63 > Price [4] 125 € [1] vs Intel BE200 [2] against Samba4 with NVMe SSD [3] 2G5 port, wireless on, without traffic [4] expected Current/latest snapshot firmware for OpenWrt One for reference/comparison: https://firmware-selector.openwrt.org/?version=SNAPSHOT&target=mediatek%2Ffilogic&id=openwrt_one https://firmware-selector.openwrt.org/?version=SNAPSHOT&targ...
- acka 2y ago> Industry “conventional wisdom” often argues that FCC requirements somehow conflict with the software right to repair. SFC has long argued that's pure FUD. We at SFC and OpenWrt have now proved copyleft compliance, the software right to repair, and FCC requirements are all attainable in one product! This is not FUD, regulatory compliance requires that devices which make unlicensed use of radio spectrum (such as Wi-Fi) must contain non-user modifiable software for their radios in order to comply with regulations, and the MT7976C chip used in this device is no exception. While most of the mt76 driver is open source, it does contain a binary blob containing proprietary firmware which must be uploaded to the chip in order for it to function. The claim that all of the software in the OpenWRT One is open source and copyleft is therefore false, it cannot be any other way, FCC regulatory compliance and being fully open source are mutually exclusive by definition.
- Sebb767 2y ago> regulatory compliance requires that devices which make unlicensed use of radio spectrum (such as Wi-Fi) must contain non-user modifiable software for their radios in order to comply with regulations Couldn't one restrict the chip to only accept signed firmware and then publish the source with reproduceable build instructions? This would prevent user modification while still being open source.
- rgmerk 2y agoWhile it might be technically open source, it's very, very much against the spirit of open source. It's also explicitly prohibited under the GPLv3 unless there's no way that the manufacturer can update that firmware.
- Sebb767 2y agoWell, it's not great, but it's still a step up from an opaque firmware blob and (maybe?) still allowed under FCC rules.
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- pdimitar 2y agoNot bad, but call me when they also make 100% OSS switches and also have beefier hardware with fully OSS firmware. If you wanna do the open thing, go all the way. Before that there's not much point. Also 1x1Gbps and 1x2.5Gbps, why?! I get it, the SoC, but could they not get something a touch more powerful? :(
- gdjskshh 2y agoI just set up an N100 mini computer with OPNsense and couldn't be happier with it as a router
- 9sIX3oZ1JB5 2y agoi use rpi4 running openwrt with an usb to ethernet adapter. Works well and a powerful cpu too for SQM etc.