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The biggest takeaway here should be that we need a domestic solar industry. We can't hold Deye or Chinese companies culpable. Moreover, this should serve as a

The biggest takeaway here should be that we need a domestic solar industry. We can't hold Deye or Chinese companies culpable. Moreover, this should serve as a warning shot for what could become a national security issue if we keep juggling international suppliers for critical infrastructure. They'll all have the capability of shutting down US electricity, which is unacceptable. There's no reason we should be importing this stuff.

10u152 2y ago
There are US manufacturers. I have a Tesla PW3 made in the U.S. and it includes solar charge controllers, batteries and inverter. Pretty competitive too.
- anon84873628 2y ago
  And is it connected to the internet? Do you think a future update will require you to login with your X account?
  - 10u152 2y ago
    It is at the moment as it’s doing energy arbitrage and needs to know the current energy prices.I believe you also get more warranty if you have it connected to the internet as they can fix bugs etc remotely. But the PW isn’t mission critical. I also have an off grid cabin with a Victron inverter that is not on the Internet and never will be.
AyyEye 2y ago
> The biggest takeaway here should be that we need a domestic solar industry. We can't hold Deye or Chinese companies culpable. No, the takeaway is to not allow corps to have remote access to end-user owned devices in the first place. This story of perfectly capable devices being bricked or having servers shut off has been told so many times with domestic (or friendly countries) companies it's laughable that the conclusion is 'do the same thing but onshore'.
- e44858 2y ago
  We need both. Easier to hold a company liable when it's domestic.
  - forgetfreeman 2y ago
    While what you describe is absolutely a world I would like to live in the reality is more like domestic means they have an easier time with legislative capture. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes and all that jazz.
AtlasBarfed 2y ago
That would require foresight, investment, subsidies, and good policy. (looks at election results) Ok, tariffs. I guess tariffs are the new invisible hand. And really, what we're talking here isn't domestic manufacturing. It's probably Mexican manufacturing.

10u152 2y ago

There are US manufacturers. I have a Tesla PW3 made in the U.S. and it includes solar charge controllers, batteries and inverter. Pretty competitive too.

anon84873628 2y ago
And is it connected to the internet? Do you think a future update will require you to login with your X account?
- 10u152 2y ago
  It is at the moment as it’s doing energy arbitrage and needs to know the current energy prices.I believe you also get more warranty if you have it connected to the internet as they can fix bugs etc remotely. But the PW isn’t mission critical. I also have an off grid cabin with a Victron inverter that is not on the Internet and never will be.

AyyEye 2y ago

> The biggest takeaway here should be that we need a domestic solar industry. We can't hold Deye or Chinese companies culpable. No, the takeaway is to not allow corps to have remote access to end-user owned devices in the first place. This story of perfectly capable devices being bricked or having servers shut off has been told so many times with domestic (or friendly countries) companies it's laughable that the conclusion is 'do the same thing but onshore'.

e44858 2y ago
We need both. Easier to hold a company liable when it's domestic.
- forgetfreeman 2y ago
  While what you describe is absolutely a world I would like to live in the reality is more like domestic means they have an easier time with legislative capture. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes and all that jazz.

AtlasBarfed 2y ago

That would require foresight, investment, subsidies, and good policy. (looks at election results) Ok, tariffs. I guess tariffs are the new invisible hand. And really, what we're talking here isn't domestic manufacturing. It's probably Mexican manufacturing.