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YES!!!!! there's plenty of REAL privacy matters to address than to invent demons and then undermine genuine issues with 'boy who cried wolf'!!!

Forgeties79 2y ago
NO!!!!! We can walk and chew bubblegum at the same time, and frankly I’m not going to wait to find out I got screwed. When it comes to privacy you have to be proactive, you can’t claw it back.
- potato3732842 2y ago
  >We can walk and chew bubblegum at the same time Is the bubble gum bought with the unlimited resources known as "other people's money"? Political will is zero sum or close to it. It is wasteful to rile people up over hypotheticals when there is no shortage of non-hypotheticals that are just as odious which simply have not been publicized.
  - Forgeties79 2y ago
    To handwave this away as a simple hypothetical when this whole discussion is spurred by a thorough analysis by the Mozilla foundation showing this exact issue is, frankly, dishonest. I don’t really know how else to respond. We are having this debate because of a report with credible evidence and accusations. The burden is on you and Nissan et al to convince me to trust them with my biometrics and other info/activity (mostly needlessly) tracked by the car. This is a very strange hill to die on - in defense of car manufacturers against our privacy rights. Once I buy a car what I do with it is none of their damn business and they sure as hell shouldn’t be _selling_ that info.
    - RobRivera 2y ago
      You don't syrike me as open minded awoo
      - Forgeties79 2y ago
        I’m sorry you feel that way.
        RobRivera 2y ago
        Are you?
        Forgeties79 2y ago
        Are you surprised I responded flippantly to a personal dig? We’re well beyond the point of productivity. Have a good one.
        RobRivera 2y ago
        So you admit you were flippant, and assert my observation was a personal dig. Reveals much about your ability to handle discourse
        MrDrMcCoy 2y ago
        BolexNOLA did a fine job trying to focus the conversation on published facts and the sensible position that the onus is on the automakers to prove their trustworthiness after they betrayed public trust. This was not something you or potato3732842 really engaged with beyond an uncritical dismissal. If you want discourse, you have to bring something to the table.
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Forgeties79 2y ago

NO!!!!! We can walk and chew bubblegum at the same time, and frankly I’m not going to wait to find out I got screwed. When it comes to privacy you have to be proactive, you can’t claw it back.

potato3732842 2y ago
>We can walk and chew bubblegum at the same time Is the bubble gum bought with the unlimited resources known as "other people's money"? Political will is zero sum or close to it. It is wasteful to rile people up over hypotheticals when there is no shortage of non-hypotheticals that are just as odious which simply have not been publicized.
- Forgeties79 2y ago
  To handwave this away as a simple hypothetical when this whole discussion is spurred by a thorough analysis by the Mozilla foundation showing this exact issue is, frankly, dishonest. I don’t really know how else to respond. We are having this debate because of a report with credible evidence and accusations. The burden is on you and Nissan et al to convince me to trust them with my biometrics and other info/activity (mostly needlessly) tracked by the car. This is a very strange hill to die on - in defense of car manufacturers against our privacy rights. Once I buy a car what I do with it is none of their damn business and they sure as hell shouldn’t be _selling_ that info.
  - RobRivera 2y ago
    You don't syrike me as open minded awoo
    - Forgeties79 2y ago
      I’m sorry you feel that way.
      - RobRivera 2y ago
        Are you?
        Forgeties79 2y ago
        Are you surprised I responded flippantly to a personal dig? We’re well beyond the point of productivity. Have a good one.
        RobRivera 2y ago
        So you admit you were flippant, and assert my observation was a personal dig. Reveals much about your ability to handle discourse
        MrDrMcCoy 2y ago
        BolexNOLA did a fine job trying to focus the conversation on published facts and the sensible position that the onus is on the automakers to prove their trustworthiness after they betrayed public trust. This was not something you or potato3732842 really engaged with beyond an uncritical dismissal. If you want discourse, you have to bring something to the table.
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