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There should not be an expectation of privacy from the authorities when operating a motor vehicles on public roads on which you need a license to drive

telgareith 2y ago
Then leave the US.
- sebstefan 2y ago
  Ideally, I'd like that everywhere else too.
Lio 2y ago
Why do you think you should not have an expectation of privacy when driving? Do you not consider reasonable to have an expectation of innocence when going about your business?
- sebstefan 2y ago
  > Some other good ones: there should not be an expectation of privacy when performing surgery. There should not be an expectation of privacy when performing the monopoly on the legal use of force.
  - sebstefan 2y ago
    There should be an expectation of privacy when travelling on foot, bike, or any vehicle that doesn't require a license to operate, though.
littlestymaar 2y ago
We're not talking about monitoring traffic on roads there, but about an embedded spying device that is enabled even when you're in your own garage and is also being used commercially to monetize your private life.
hypeatei 2y ago
This argument doesn't really make sense. The "expectation of privacy" in public doesn't refer to losing all your rights and letting anyone peek into anything when they want to. Vehicles can also be used on private roads or property, so the privacy invading tech would need to account for that (which I'm sure it doesn't, and there isn't a straightforward solution)
- sebstefan 2y ago
  There's the way my e-bike works ; The electric assistance is supposed to be limited to 25km/h, you can opt to disable this through clicking a few buttons in an app for most brands, and use your vehicle on private roads only. Then it relies on enforcement to catch you operating an illegal vehicle on a public road Unlike e-bikes, your vehicle has a plate, so needless to say, if you get caught speeding on a public road by a camera and your vehicle was registered as having had the thing turned off at the time in the database (i.e. it shouldn't be on a public road), you could imagine getting an additional charge similar to operating a vehicle without a license plate or operating something that's not road-legal. It makes total sense to me
fsckboy 2y ago
>There SHOULD NOT be an expectation of privacy from the authorities when operating a motor vehicles on public roads on which you need a license to drive let's say somebody else said "There SHOULD be an expectation of privacy from the authorities when operating a motor vehicles on public roads on which you need a license to drive" Is there some reason I should side with you over them, or just your opinion? If the courts decided that there was an expectation of privacy on public roads, would you agitate to change the law so there wasn't?
- sebstefan 2y ago
  >Is there some reason I should side with you over them, or just your opinion? If the courts decided that there was an expectation of privacy on public roads, would you agitate to change the law so there wasn't? Sure! It would make infringing on road safety much more difficult thus reduce your chances of getting run over by people who are speeding, running red lights etc. And if you're driving, I think everyone would enjoy less maniacs on the road.
  - _proofs 2y ago
    at this rate you might as well parade yourself naked around town or city, and advertise your medical history so that you can clearly demonstrate to the world your sanity.
    - sebstefan 2y ago
      Hello Motor vehicles killed 3566 people every month in 2022, that's the death toll of the 9/11 attacks every 25 days.
VTimofeenko 2y ago
While there is no expectation of privacy when one is out and about on the city streets, it generally means "you can take a photo of a fountain on the city square without getting every tourist that was caught in the photo to sign a release", not "you can rummage through everybody's bags"
usrusr 2y ago
Some other good ones: there should not be an expectation of privacy when performing surgery. There should not be an expectation of privacy when performing the monopoly on the legal use of force.

telgareith 2y ago

Then leave the US.

sebstefan 2y ago
Ideally, I'd like that everywhere else too.

Lio 2y ago

Why do you think you should not have an expectation of privacy when driving? Do you not consider reasonable to have an expectation of innocence when going about your business?

sebstefan 2y ago
> Some other good ones: there should not be an expectation of privacy when performing surgery. There should not be an expectation of privacy when performing the monopoly on the legal use of force.
- sebstefan 2y ago
  There should be an expectation of privacy when travelling on foot, bike, or any vehicle that doesn't require a license to operate, though.

littlestymaar 2y ago

We're not talking about monitoring traffic on roads there, but about an embedded spying device that is enabled even when you're in your own garage and is also being used commercially to monetize your private life.

hypeatei 2y ago

This argument doesn't really make sense. The "expectation of privacy" in public doesn't refer to losing all your rights and letting anyone peek into anything when they want to. Vehicles can also be used on private roads or property, so the privacy invading tech would need to account for that (which I'm sure it doesn't, and there isn't a straightforward solution)

sebstefan 2y ago
There's the way my e-bike works ; The electric assistance is supposed to be limited to 25km/h, you can opt to disable this through clicking a few buttons in an app for most brands, and use your vehicle on private roads only. Then it relies on enforcement to catch you operating an illegal vehicle on a public road Unlike e-bikes, your vehicle has a plate, so needless to say, if you get caught speeding on a public road by a camera and your vehicle was registered as having had the thing turned off at the time in the database (i.e. it shouldn't be on a public road), you could imagine getting an additional charge similar to operating a vehicle without a license plate or operating something that's not road-legal. It makes total sense to me

fsckboy 2y ago

>There SHOULD NOT be an expectation of privacy from the authorities when operating a motor vehicles on public roads on which you need a license to drive let's say somebody else said "There SHOULD be an expectation of privacy from the authorities when operating a motor vehicles on public roads on which you need a license to drive" Is there some reason I should side with you over them, or just your opinion? If the courts decided that there was an expectation of privacy on public roads, would you agitate to change the law so there wasn't?

sebstefan 2y ago
>Is there some reason I should side with you over them, or just your opinion? If the courts decided that there was an expectation of privacy on public roads, would you agitate to change the law so there wasn't? Sure! It would make infringing on road safety much more difficult thus reduce your chances of getting run over by people who are speeding, running red lights etc. And if you're driving, I think everyone would enjoy less maniacs on the road.
- _proofs 2y ago
  at this rate you might as well parade yourself naked around town or city, and advertise your medical history so that you can clearly demonstrate to the world your sanity.
  - sebstefan 2y ago
    Hello Motor vehicles killed 3566 people every month in 2022, that's the death toll of the 9/11 attacks every 25 days.

VTimofeenko 2y ago

While there is no expectation of privacy when one is out and about on the city streets, it generally means "you can take a photo of a fountain on the city square without getting every tourist that was caught in the photo to sign a release", not "you can rummage through everybody's bags"

usrusr 2y ago

Some other good ones: there should not be an expectation of privacy when performing surgery. There should not be an expectation of privacy when performing the monopoly on the legal use of force.