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As much as I would enjoy some Elon-bashing, this is a bit unsurprising. I used to write remote dashboards for autonomous vehicles, and if we had been able to f

As much as I would enjoy some Elon-bashing, this is a bit unsurprising. I used to write remote dashboards for autonomous vehicles, and if we had been able to fully support remote operation (latency was just unbearable at the time), we would have gladly done so, if only to unstuck vehicles from tricky situations. Also, it seems like it's already done in other robotaxi setups. It makes sense for the company, as long as the remote operator only drives a fraction of the miles ran by the vehicles (and if you can keep the wage low enough, while still ensuring driver engagement.) It makes sense for the user as long as the vehicle reach its destination, and they don't have to car about driving. I would still heavily fine Tesla for calling it "Full Self Driving" or "Autopilot", because it's a plain lie. But Elon retired from science & engineering to focus on running an ad-funded political campaigning platform, so "truth / lies" is a bit of moot point.

llamaimperative 2y ago
Moot point for sure but can and should be criticized and made fun of repeatedly.
chipdart 2y ago
> Also, it seems like it's already done in other robotaxi setups. I think you're missing the whole point. The whole point is that Tesla has been promising full self-driving cars for years, and going as far as to talk shit about specific computer vision strategies used by competitors with actual real-world autonomous car services being provided to the public. Elon Musk has been promising the public that full self driving was just a software update away for those who spent money on a Tesla car with a specific onboard computer. And now, after years of making promises about full self driving cars and shitting on companies who already provide autonomous car services, they silently decide that after all they "need the ability to access and control [Tesla cars] remotely” ? I mean, using teleoperators is a widely known industry standard. Tesla was promising way more than that and shitting on those who were using them. And now apparently they are scrambling to catch up with what Waymo was doing over a decade ago? If I was a shareholder or a customer, I'd be pissed.
- phtrivier 2y ago
  Well, the share is up 3% since that article was published. :shrug: , I guess ?
  - chipdart 2y ago
    > Well, the share is up 3% since that article was published. :shrug: , I guess ? I don't know where you get your stock quotes. The ones I get tell that last monday TSLA stock prices were at around $350 and right now they stand at $345.
    - phtrivier 2y ago
      First Google hit, but I probably misread, I don't gamble much on the stock market.

llamaimperative 2y ago

Moot point for sure but can and should be criticized and made fun of repeatedly.

chipdart 2y ago

> Also, it seems like it's already done in other robotaxi setups. I think you're missing the whole point. The whole point is that Tesla has been promising full self-driving cars for years, and going as far as to talk shit about specific computer vision strategies used by competitors with actual real-world autonomous car services being provided to the public. Elon Musk has been promising the public that full self driving was just a software update away for those who spent money on a Tesla car with a specific onboard computer. And now, after years of making promises about full self driving cars and shitting on companies who already provide autonomous car services, they silently decide that after all they "need the ability to access and control [Tesla cars] remotely” ? I mean, using teleoperators is a widely known industry standard. Tesla was promising way more than that and shitting on those who were using them. And now apparently they are scrambling to catch up with what Waymo was doing over a decade ago? If I was a shareholder or a customer, I'd be pissed.

phtrivier 2y ago
Well, the share is up 3% since that article was published. :shrug: , I guess ?
- chipdart 2y ago
  > Well, the share is up 3% since that article was published. :shrug: , I guess ? I don't know where you get your stock quotes. The ones I get tell that last monday TSLA stock prices were at around $350 and right now they stand at $345.
  - phtrivier 2y ago
    First Google hit, but I probably misread, I don't gamble much on the stock market.