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The reason I said "(or Vue)" was specifically to say that there are other leading frameworks. I didn't say "or Angluar" because in my opinion it's a race betwee

The reason I said "(or Vue)" was specifically to say that there are other leading frameworks. I didn't say "or Angluar" because in my opinion it's a race between React and Vue at this point. But if you think there's a third contender, let me know. I'm always looking to learn. My main point was to compare "frameworks" v.s. "no frameworks", rather than to say that React is best, but if you want my opinion then yes I do say React is indeed the best, and I admit it's an opinion not a fact. lol.

cyann 2y ago
Angluar -> I'm using this from now on
- quantadev 2y ago
  In case I was unclear, I consider Angular dead and obsolete.
  - cyann 2y ago
    Same, anGLuar sounds, for a french speaker, like https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/engluer https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/engluer 1. to birdlime 2. (reflexive) to get bogged down
    - quantadev 2y ago
      In case I was unclear, I consider French dead and obsolete.
  - riku_iki 2y ago
    > In case I was unclear, I consider Angular dead and obsolete. maybe you would expand on this? I have no intention to challenge you, just genuinely curios if and why I should consider vue over agnular for new project (I use angular already).
    - quantadev 2y ago
      Maybe Angular is still used a lot, in legacy projects. I just mean for starting a new project, imo most people will choose React or Vue in 2024, right? I never used Angular myself, but have used both React and Vue a lot.
      - riku_iki 2y ago
        I don't have strong insights about current agnular popularity. I think at least teams/companies which built strong expertise in angular will continue using it for new projects unless there is some big reason not to. SO trends show that angular is more popular, while vue is loosing share (not necessary absolute number): https://trends.stackoverflow.co/?tags=angular,vue.js,reactjs https://trends.stackoverflow.co/?tags=angular,vue.js,reactjs
        quantadev 2y ago
        Thanks for sharing that graph. It does show React as the leader, the the others in distant 2nd/3rd place. However I think the "drop off" in the chart for React is misleading/incorrect, and likely indicates just a slowing down of the economy and/or people moving to LLMs for their searches and abandoning StackOverflow completely, as I have. For the past year I haven't yet found a question that an LLM couldn't answer better than S.O. could, although ironically most of the LLM learning did come from S.O. Anyway, yeah shops will stick to their legacy code forever unless something forces change, because retooling is super expensive in money and time, not to mention replacing all your developers with different ones!
      - halflife 2y ago
        If you’ve never used it don’t declare it dead. Angular is updated regularly every 6 months. While react is busy thinking how to create more SSR apis, the angular team keeps improving developer experience. IMO right now it’s easier to start an angular project with much less foot guns than react.
        quantadev 2y ago
mollerhoj 2y ago
Have you ever worked on a project that used Rails, Laravel, Django or Spring? Without being a SPA? For many (most) websites, I find that these are far superior to client side heavy SPAs with json apis (react, vue etc).
- quantadev 2y ago
  Most of the apps I've worked on were very business oriented, and about people getting work done, rather than "website" type stuff that's mostly static. So for example, being able to refresh a part of the screen with new information from the server, is critical. Doing page reloads would destroy the experience. I have 35yrs exp so yes I've used most of what you mentioned.
  - xcrunner529 2y ago
    You’re just proving the point. This stuff was easy when it was called Ajax. You don’t need React for that simple thing lmao.
    - quantadev 2y ago
      I just use the 'fetch' command to get data from the server. That's basically like Ajax. Where React comes into play of course is taking care of all the page updates, which would be a nightmare for any large app, unless you have a framework being used.

cyann 2y ago

Angluar -> I'm using this from now on

quantadev 2y ago
In case I was unclear, I consider Angular dead and obsolete.
- cyann 2y ago
  Same, anGLuar sounds, for a french speaker, like https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/engluer https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/engluer 1. to birdlime 2. (reflexive) to get bogged down
  - quantadev 2y ago
    In case I was unclear, I consider French dead and obsolete.
- riku_iki 2y ago
  > In case I was unclear, I consider Angular dead and obsolete. maybe you would expand on this? I have no intention to challenge you, just genuinely curios if and why I should consider vue over agnular for new project (I use angular already).
  - quantadev 2y ago
    Maybe Angular is still used a lot, in legacy projects. I just mean for starting a new project, imo most people will choose React or Vue in 2024, right? I never used Angular myself, but have used both React and Vue a lot.
    - riku_iki 2y ago
      I don't have strong insights about current agnular popularity. I think at least teams/companies which built strong expertise in angular will continue using it for new projects unless there is some big reason not to. SO trends show that angular is more popular, while vue is loosing share (not necessary absolute number): https://trends.stackoverflow.co/?tags=angular,vue.js,reactjs https://trends.stackoverflow.co/?tags=angular,vue.js,reactjs
      - quantadev 2y ago
        Thanks for sharing that graph. It does show React as the leader, the the others in distant 2nd/3rd place. However I think the "drop off" in the chart for React is misleading/incorrect, and likely indicates just a slowing down of the economy and/or people moving to LLMs for their searches and abandoning StackOverflow completely, as I have. For the past year I haven't yet found a question that an LLM couldn't answer better than S.O. could, although ironically most of the LLM learning did come from S.O. Anyway, yeah shops will stick to their legacy code forever unless something forces change, because retooling is super expensive in money and time, not to mention replacing all your developers with different ones!
    - halflife 2y ago
      If you’ve never used it don’t declare it dead. Angular is updated regularly every 6 months. While react is busy thinking how to create more SSR apis, the angular team keeps improving developer experience. IMO right now it’s easier to start an angular project with much less foot guns than react.
      - quantadev 2y ago

mollerhoj 2y ago

Have you ever worked on a project that used Rails, Laravel, Django or Spring? Without being a SPA? For many (most) websites, I find that these are far superior to client side heavy SPAs with json apis (react, vue etc).

quantadev 2y ago
Most of the apps I've worked on were very business oriented, and about people getting work done, rather than "website" type stuff that's mostly static. So for example, being able to refresh a part of the screen with new information from the server, is critical. Doing page reloads would destroy the experience. I have 35yrs exp so yes I've used most of what you mentioned.
- xcrunner529 2y ago
  You’re just proving the point. This stuff was easy when it was called Ajax. You don’t need React for that simple thing lmao.
  - quantadev 2y ago
    I just use the 'fetch' command to get data from the server. That's basically like Ajax. Where React comes into play of course is taking care of all the page updates, which would be a nightmare for any large app, unless you have a framework being used.