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Yes, you the developer. I think that’s his point. The performance if react sites is another thing and that’s what the user cares about. It also doesn’t work on

Yes, you the developer. I think that’s his point. The performance if react sites is another thing and that’s what the user cares about. It also doesn’t work on mobile. React native was worshipped and now is thrown out.

alex_smart 2y ago
Is it even working for the developer though? Last I checked the server-side rendering performance for react based frameworks was somewhere like 200 pages per second? Is that something to be proud of as a developer?
robertoandred 2y ago
React is absolutely performant. A developer who makes a slow React site would make a slow site with something else.
- xcrunner529 2y ago
  Tell that to all the former PHP developers. Where are these performant React sites? The largest and best tech companies out there certainly can’t do it.
  - robertoandred 2y ago
    The same former PHP developers responsible for all those slow WordPress sites?
    - xcrunner529 2y ago
      The ones who made react.
  - TiredOfLife 2y ago
    https://next-faster.vercel.app/ https://next-faster.vercel.app/
  - dimgl 2y ago
    Uh... I'm pretty sure Compass.com is running on Next.js...
- cosmotic 2y ago
  They're a wide chasm between what one can make and what is led to making. React can lead to fast, responsive websites, though you'd be fighting against a current pulling you out to a bloated, buggy mess. There's a unique stench that comes from many react sites where everything is a skeleton screen, everything loads slowly, history rewriting is busted, there's no hotlinking, and scrolling is glitchy. Peek under the hood, it's almost always react. Facebook.com quality is the outlier, not the likely outcome.
- crvst 2y ago
  React is far from performant for SSR, and it simply can’t be, as it wasn’t designed with backend needs in mind. The fact that it works at all is more of a happy accident or side effect. Current approaches are more like workarounds than proper solutions for making it function effectively on servers. Most importantly, it’s also not particularly performant on the client side in real-world scenarios. For evidence, here’s a guy testing major websites using his awesome react-scan tool: https://x.com/aidenybai/status/1861442057598062653 https://x.com/aidenybai/status/1861442057598062653

alex_smart 2y ago

Is it even working for the developer though? Last I checked the server-side rendering performance for react based frameworks was somewhere like 200 pages per second? Is that something to be proud of as a developer?

robertoandred 2y ago

React is absolutely performant. A developer who makes a slow React site would make a slow site with something else.

xcrunner529 2y ago
Tell that to all the former PHP developers. Where are these performant React sites? The largest and best tech companies out there certainly can’t do it.
- robertoandred 2y ago
  The same former PHP developers responsible for all those slow WordPress sites?
  - xcrunner529 2y ago
    The ones who made react.
- TiredOfLife 2y ago
  https://next-faster.vercel.app/ https://next-faster.vercel.app/
- dimgl 2y ago
  Uh... I'm pretty sure Compass.com is running on Next.js...
cosmotic 2y ago
They're a wide chasm between what one can make and what is led to making. React can lead to fast, responsive websites, though you'd be fighting against a current pulling you out to a bloated, buggy mess. There's a unique stench that comes from many react sites where everything is a skeleton screen, everything loads slowly, history rewriting is busted, there's no hotlinking, and scrolling is glitchy. Peek under the hood, it's almost always react. Facebook.com quality is the outlier, not the likely outcome.
crvst 2y ago
React is far from performant for SSR, and it simply can’t be, as it wasn’t designed with backend needs in mind. The fact that it works at all is more of a happy accident or side effect. Current approaches are more like workarounds than proper solutions for making it function effectively on servers. Most importantly, it’s also not particularly performant on the client side in real-world scenarios. For evidence, here’s a guy testing major websites using his awesome react-scan tool: https://x.com/aidenybai/status/1861442057598062653 https://x.com/aidenybai/status/1861442057598062653