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Sounds like maybe you don't need a car. That's good for you, and I truly mean that. But that doesn't mean it's the case for everyone. It's a big, diverse world
by jaredhallen 2y ago
Sounds like maybe you don't need a car. That's good for you, and I truly mean that. But that doesn't mean it's the case for everyone. It's a big, diverse world out there.
- throwaway290 2y agoUm the fact that some people in some (less developed?) places need cars is not an argument against cars being wasteful...
- rglullis 2y agoUnless your idea of "diverse world" is confined to (suburban) North America, the need to own a car is the exception, not the rule.
- KineticLensman 2y agoRural southern England here. Public transport is non existant where I live. You need a car if you want a life. I lost my driving license for medical reasons and have spent two years without driving. I am really conscious of what a car means in terms of having a social life, working, etc. If I was younger, I would have had to relocate
- rglullis 2y agoTell that to the Amish. Car dependency is something that we've learned, not the natural state of things.
- bbradley406 2y agoThe Amish ride in horse-drawn buggies and hire private car drivers for longer trips. I'd rather not go back to the days of horses as the primary means of transportation though.
- KineticLensman 2y ago> Car dependency is something that we've learned, not the natural state of things. Yes, it is not the natural state of things but for many people it is the actual state of things. I absolutely hate the fact that I live in a car focussed society but that is where I do actually live. And because of my investment in my house and garden I don't want to move > Tell that to the Amish. I had to count to 10 before responding here. Perhaps you didn't notice the bit where I said I have spent two years without a car. It is something I have thought about a LOT. And have been impacted by. I don't have a convenient Amish community nearby to help me put up barns in my backyard, or even to lend me a horse to ride to the local B&Q when I need to buy a new tool of some sort. I deeply wish there was better public transport - I am not a petrolhead - but there isn't and won't be for the foreseeable future.
- icehawk 2y agoNone of what you said here makes sense in the context of what you replied to. > Tell that to the Amish. The Amish have large populations in the northeast US, not rural southern England. > Car dependency is something that we've learned, not the natural state of things. What does this have to do with the fact someone was unable to drive due to medical reasons and learned first-hand how much society was set up to need a car?
- brewtide 2y agoInternet dependency is something we've learned, not the natural state of things. So, try to go about your existence without Internet of any sort and please report back at any difficulties it may cause for you.
- rglullis 2y agoThis is not about usage. I am not saying we should live without cars. I am saying that there is a very bad systemic issue if people simply can not live without owning a car. If you want to make a comparison with utilities: The fact that people in Flint are getting bottled water delivered from distant cities (and the fact that some people prefer to drink bottled water anyway) does not mean that this is not a serious crisis. I am not saying "other people can live without cars, so just suck it up". I am saying "if you are living in a place where you can not function without a car, this is a serious issue and you should be getting the pitchforks to hunt down the responsible authorities that brought this to you."
- Spooky23 2y agoI think a modern life is better than farming with draft animals and handiwork. Especially if I were a woman.
- bigstrat2003 2y agoThat's not true. Most of the world (by land area) exists outside cities, and outside a city you will usually need to own a car.
- rglullis 2y ago80+% of people live in urban areas.