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Yeah, its the same stuff that I've been told for decades now. TBH, it is probably less true with a lot of EVs than it was with the gas cars. ECUs are pretty str

by _ea1k 2y ago

Yeah, its the same stuff that I've been told for decades now. TBH, it is probably less true with a lot of EVs than it was with the gas cars. ECUs are pretty strict and sometimes hard to hack. Meanwhile, third party motor controllers for Tesla motors exist, and the batteries aren't exactly magic. There's really nothing about electric drivetrains that makes anything vastly more locked down.

p1necone 2y ago
Yeah if the world went in the direction that prepper types seem to get wet dreams about petrol ICE cars would only be usable for a year or so - petrol has a shelf life, and you ain't running your own refinery. A lot of diesels can run off of any vaguely fuel-like liquid you decide to put in them, so I'm sure sufficiently knowledgable people would keep those running, machining parts for them etc. But electric vehicles are by far simpler than both of those, and generating electricity is easier than producing fuel you can shove in a diesel engine.
- snozolli 2y ago
  petrol ICE cars would only be usable for a year or so The Internet really overstates this. Fuel injected systems are sealed. Carbureted systems are open to outside air, so the fuel is constantly evaporating, leaving residue behind, and absorbing moisture from the atmosphere. Gasoline in a sealed container remains usable for far longer than people on the Internet say it will. Anyway, the final state of an apocalypse car would be running on wood gas. North Korea runs some or all of their military trucks on it (this may have changed as they've increased relations with Russia). An episode of Car Talk explained how it was used by German civilians during WWII: https://www.cartalk.com/radio/show/1201-20-miles-wood-chip https://www.cartalk.com/radio/show/1201-20-miles-wood-chip
- twobitshifter 2y ago
  You can make an ICE run on wood gas which is arguably more apocalypse proof than electric.
  - parineum 2y ago
    Generators can run on that to charge an ev that is also chargeable by solar panels, wind mills and water mills.
    - combu3kkd 2y ago
      All combustion engines, generators included require maintenance. Having n+1 requirements doesen't sound like a benefit to an apocalypse. In general consumer cars really don't fare well without well-mainained roads though, so they'd not be that useful to begin with.
- combu3kkd 2y ago
  >But electric vehicles are by far simpler than both of those Electric engines might be, but battery tech for sure isn't. Building a combustion engine + fuel vs. building an EV battery is a whole different game.

by _ea1k 2y ago

p1necone 2y ago

Yeah if the world went in the direction that prepper types seem to get wet dreams about petrol ICE cars would only be usable for a year or so - petrol has a shelf life, and you ain't running your own refinery. A lot of diesels can run off of any vaguely fuel-like liquid you decide to put in them, so I'm sure sufficiently knowledgable people would keep those running, machining parts for them etc. But electric vehicles are by far simpler than both of those, and generating electricity is easier than producing fuel you can shove in a diesel engine.

snozolli 2y ago
petrol ICE cars would only be usable for a year or so The Internet really overstates this. Fuel injected systems are sealed. Carbureted systems are open to outside air, so the fuel is constantly evaporating, leaving residue behind, and absorbing moisture from the atmosphere. Gasoline in a sealed container remains usable for far longer than people on the Internet say it will. Anyway, the final state of an apocalypse car would be running on wood gas. North Korea runs some or all of their military trucks on it (this may have changed as they've increased relations with Russia). An episode of Car Talk explained how it was used by German civilians during WWII: https://www.cartalk.com/radio/show/1201-20-miles-wood-chip https://www.cartalk.com/radio/show/1201-20-miles-wood-chip
twobitshifter 2y ago
You can make an ICE run on wood gas which is arguably more apocalypse proof than electric.
- parineum 2y ago
  Generators can run on that to charge an ev that is also chargeable by solar panels, wind mills and water mills.
  - combu3kkd 2y ago
    All combustion engines, generators included require maintenance. Having n+1 requirements doesen't sound like a benefit to an apocalypse. In general consumer cars really don't fare well without well-mainained roads though, so they'd not be that useful to begin with.
combu3kkd 2y ago
>But electric vehicles are by far simpler than both of those Electric engines might be, but battery tech for sure isn't. Building a combustion engine + fuel vs. building an EV battery is a whole different game.