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The process of reading it into their training data is a way of copying it. It exists somewhere and they need to copy it in order to ingest it.

by mongol 2y ago

wvenable 2y ago
By that logic you're violating copyright by using a web browser.
- Suppafly 2y ago
  >By that logic you're violating copyright by using a web browser. You would be except for the fact that publishing stuff on the web gives people an implicit license to download it for the purposes of viewing it.
  - Timwi 2y ago
    Not sure about US or other jurisdictions, but that's not how any of this works in Germany. In Germany downloading anything from anywhere (even a movie) is never illegal and does not require a license. What's illegal is publishing/disseminating copyrighted content without authorization. BitTorrenting a movie is illegal because you're distributing it to other torrenters. Streaming a movie on your website is illegal because it's public. You can be held liable for using a photo from the web to illustrate your eBay auction, not because you downloaded it but because you republished it. OpenAI (and Google and everyone else) is creating a publicly-accessible system that produces output that could be derived from copyrighted material.
    - Tomte 2y ago
      > In Germany […] That‘s confidently and completely wrong.
    - Suppafly 2y ago
      I think it works like that in Canada and some other places too, because they pay an extra tax on storage media when they buy it, which essentially authorizes a license for any copyrighted material that might be stored on that media.
  - wvenable 2y ago
    I'm only allowed to view it? I can't download it, convert each word into a color, and create a weird piece of art work out of it? I think I can.
    - Suppafly 2y ago
      >convert each word into a color, and create a weird piece of art work out of it? I think I can. I agree, but the original author might get butthurt if you distribute it. Realistically copyright law in the US is a mess when it comes to weird pieces of art.
- __loam 2y ago
  The nature of the copy does actually matter.

The process of reading it into their training data is a way of copying it. It exists somewhere and they need to copy it in order to ingest it.

by mongol 2y ago

The process of reading it into their training data is a way of copying it. It exists somewhere and they need to copy it in order to ingest it.

wvenable 2y ago

By that logic you're violating copyright by using a web browser.

Suppafly 2y ago
>By that logic you're violating copyright by using a web browser. You would be except for the fact that publishing stuff on the web gives people an implicit license to download it for the purposes of viewing it.
- Timwi 2y ago
  Not sure about US or other jurisdictions, but that's not how any of this works in Germany. In Germany downloading anything from anywhere (even a movie) is never illegal and does not require a license. What's illegal is publishing/disseminating copyrighted content without authorization. BitTorrenting a movie is illegal because you're distributing it to other torrenters. Streaming a movie on your website is illegal because it's public. You can be held liable for using a photo from the web to illustrate your eBay auction, not because you downloaded it but because you republished it. OpenAI (and Google and everyone else) is creating a publicly-accessible system that produces output that could be derived from copyrighted material.
  - Tomte 2y ago
    > In Germany […] That‘s confidently and completely wrong.
  - Suppafly 2y ago
    I think it works like that in Canada and some other places too, because they pay an extra tax on storage media when they buy it, which essentially authorizes a license for any copyrighted material that might be stored on that media.
- wvenable 2y ago
  I'm only allowed to view it? I can't download it, convert each word into a color, and create a weird piece of art work out of it? I think I can.
  - Suppafly 2y ago
    >convert each word into a color, and create a weird piece of art work out of it? I think I can. I agree, but the original author might get butthurt if you distribute it. Realistically copyright law in the US is a mess when it comes to weird pieces of art.
__loam 2y ago
The nature of the copy does actually matter.