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Honestly, and this is not personal, I doubt your ability to determine a bad summarisation or translation outcome. My wife is a professional translator and spend

Honestly, and this is not personal, I doubt your ability to determine a bad summarisation or translation outcome. My wife is a professional translator and spends a good deal of time picking up the steaming wrecks that LLMs have left after someone went for the "cheap" option first. And we're talking best of breed stuff like DeepL here. As for the other points, I rather like to spend some time thinking on them personally. If you're not connected to the decision yourself, what are you?

yesco 2y ago
> My wife is a professional translator and spends a good deal of time picking up the steaming wrecks that LLMs have left after someone went for the "cheap" option first. And we're talking best of breed stuff like DeepL here. Just so we are clear, for Japanese to English translation, DeepL is hot garbage compared to a top class LLM with the right prompt. DeepL translations are basically unreadable, and regularly just cut sections out entirely! So I wouldn't call DeepL "best of breed" by any means, it's not even at the starting line. Can't comment on English <-> French/Spanish/German/etc though, never tried it with those. In my case the epub was technically a replacement for a fan translation I was reading, which was decent enough, but with a simple script and instructions to keep the vibes of a light novel, it got very good, I remain impressed. Next I plan to convert it all to markdown to see if I can help encourage it to structure paragraphs properly, the html tags have so far limited it to line by line translation. When I've experimented with officially translated works, meaning cases where I've translated the raw and compared it to the official, it's still not up to par, but good enough in my opinion. I'm not aware of any payed service that streamlines this yet though, not sure why. It's nothing like traditional MTL. > As for the other points, I rather like to spend some time thinking on them personally. If you're not connected to the decision yourself, what are you? What? It's a dialogue, a conversation, I bounce ideas off it and ask for advice to help guide the direction of my thinking, have you ever even used an LLM? I do this with my friends and co-workers too, do you not do this? This comes off as a bit presumptuous, an LLM lacks executive thinking, if I'm not directing the conversation then the LLM has nothing to give.
- ethernot 2y ago
  Just to note my wife is Japanese so she's aware of that. She does German / French as well and it's fine for that. But still needs a lot of work cleaning it up.

yesco 2y ago

> My wife is a professional translator and spends a good deal of time picking up the steaming wrecks that LLMs have left after someone went for the "cheap" option first. And we're talking best of breed stuff like DeepL here. Just so we are clear, for Japanese to English translation, DeepL is hot garbage compared to a top class LLM with the right prompt. DeepL translations are basically unreadable, and regularly just cut sections out entirely! So I wouldn't call DeepL "best of breed" by any means, it's not even at the starting line. Can't comment on English <-> French/Spanish/German/etc though, never tried it with those. In my case the epub was technically a replacement for a fan translation I was reading, which was decent enough, but with a simple script and instructions to keep the vibes of a light novel, it got very good, I remain impressed. Next I plan to convert it all to markdown to see if I can help encourage it to structure paragraphs properly, the html tags have so far limited it to line by line translation. When I've experimented with officially translated works, meaning cases where I've translated the raw and compared it to the official, it's still not up to par, but good enough in my opinion. I'm not aware of any payed service that streamlines this yet though, not sure why. It's nothing like traditional MTL. > As for the other points, I rather like to spend some time thinking on them personally. If you're not connected to the decision yourself, what are you? What? It's a dialogue, a conversation, I bounce ideas off it and ask for advice to help guide the direction of my thinking, have you ever even used an LLM? I do this with my friends and co-workers too, do you not do this? This comes off as a bit presumptuous, an LLM lacks executive thinking, if I'm not directing the conversation then the LLM has nothing to give.

ethernot 2y ago
Just to note my wife is Japanese so she's aware of that. She does German / French as well and it's fine for that. But still needs a lot of work cleaning it up.