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It is actually not. Connection of irrationalism to far right is well documented https://www.wilsonquarterly.com/quarterly/summer-2008-saving-the-world/nietzsch

It is actually not. Connection of irrationalism to far right is well documented https://www.wilsonquarterly.com/quarterly/summer-2008-saving-the-world/nietzsche-and-the-nazis https://www.wilsonquarterly.com/quarterly/summer-2008-saving... https://jacobin.com/2023/09/georg-lukacs-irrationalism-right-wing-thought-philosophy https://jacobin.com/2023/09/georg-lukacs-irrationalism-right...

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aguaviva 2y ago
Even the article you're attempting to draw support from didn't attempt to claim that "Hitler took a lot of influence" from Nietzsche. At most it was second-hand, through another guy whom barely anyone remembers these days, and who who woefully miscontrued him anyway. Meanwhile there's not even a whiff of substance behind this statement: Nietzsche was to Hitler what Marx was to Stalin.
- medo-bear 2y ago
  The article also says, During World War II, Hitler’s soldiers marched off to battle with field-gray editions of Friedrich Nietzsche’s works in their packs, and ordinary Germans were occasionally urged on with the philosopher’s words. Seems like 'little red book' vibes to me. On the other hand, do you really think Stalin faithfully represented Marx's ideas? There are many parallels between Stalin's approach to Marx and Hitler's to Nietzsche, even regarding obvious misintrepretation. https://www.marxists.org/archive/lukacs/works/nietzsche/ch04.htm https://www.marxists.org/archive/lukacs/works/nietzsche/ch04... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influence_and_reception_of_Friedrich_Nietzsche#Nietzsche_and_fascism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influence_and_reception_of_F...
  - aguaviva 2y ago
    Seems like 'little red book' vibes to me. Except the anecdote is painfully overstretched. Apparently that distribution was limited in scope, and only some 150k soldiers were given the 'little grey book' (Zarathustra) out of some 18 million who served in the Wehrmacht overall. So not that ubiquitous. Plus they were also given copies of the New Testament apparently, so what's that supposed to prove?
    - medo-bear 2y ago
      I think I said enough to demonstrate that Nietsche's influence on fascism and nazim is quite concerning. Besides, Marxism has had a profound effect on western philosophy, social studies, and economics, and probably continues to this day in many indirect and possibly even direct ways. Not including any of the works by Karl Marx or Friedrich Engels is a huge omission in the ops article. > Plus they were also given copies of the New Testament apparently, so what's that supposed to prove? Oh Im definitely not saying that the Church (and religion in general) hasnt mind fucked millions of people accross generations and even gave outright support to fascism nazism and their offsprings. Look at the church's relationship with the ustashe regime in croatia and the estado novo in portugal as most obvious examples.
      - aguaviva 2y ago
        I think I said enough to demonstrate that Nietsche's influence on fascism and nazim is quite concerning. I don't think you have actually, but let's give that a rest for now. But if even if you did -- what would that "concern" be?
        medo-bear 2y ago
        > What would that "concern" be? Would you be concerned if Trump or Putin said that they are Nietzschean ?
        aguaviva 2y ago
        No (and I don't see much value in hypotheticals, generally).
        medo-bear 2y ago
        Ok
        aguaviva 2y ago

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aguaviva 2y ago

Even the article you're attempting to draw support from didn't attempt to claim that "Hitler took a lot of influence" from Nietzsche. At most it was second-hand, through another guy whom barely anyone remembers these days, and who who woefully miscontrued him anyway. Meanwhile there's not even a whiff of substance behind this statement: Nietzsche was to Hitler what Marx was to Stalin.

medo-bear 2y ago
The article also says, During World War II, Hitler’s soldiers marched off to battle with field-gray editions of Friedrich Nietzsche’s works in their packs, and ordinary Germans were occasionally urged on with the philosopher’s words. Seems like 'little red book' vibes to me. On the other hand, do you really think Stalin faithfully represented Marx's ideas? There are many parallels between Stalin's approach to Marx and Hitler's to Nietzsche, even regarding obvious misintrepretation. https://www.marxists.org/archive/lukacs/works/nietzsche/ch04.htm https://www.marxists.org/archive/lukacs/works/nietzsche/ch04... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influence_and_reception_of_Friedrich_Nietzsche#Nietzsche_and_fascism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influence_and_reception_of_F...
- aguaviva 2y ago
  Seems like 'little red book' vibes to me. Except the anecdote is painfully overstretched. Apparently that distribution was limited in scope, and only some 150k soldiers were given the 'little grey book' (Zarathustra) out of some 18 million who served in the Wehrmacht overall. So not that ubiquitous. Plus they were also given copies of the New Testament apparently, so what's that supposed to prove?
  - medo-bear 2y ago
    I think I said enough to demonstrate that Nietsche's influence on fascism and nazim is quite concerning. Besides, Marxism has had a profound effect on western philosophy, social studies, and economics, and probably continues to this day in many indirect and possibly even direct ways. Not including any of the works by Karl Marx or Friedrich Engels is a huge omission in the ops article. > Plus they were also given copies of the New Testament apparently, so what's that supposed to prove? Oh Im definitely not saying that the Church (and religion in general) hasnt mind fucked millions of people accross generations and even gave outright support to fascism nazism and their offsprings. Look at the church's relationship with the ustashe regime in croatia and the estado novo in portugal as most obvious examples.
    - aguaviva 2y ago
      I think I said enough to demonstrate that Nietsche's influence on fascism and nazim is quite concerning. I don't think you have actually, but let's give that a rest for now. But if even if you did -- what would that "concern" be?
      - medo-bear 2y ago
        > What would that "concern" be? Would you be concerned if Trump or Putin said that they are Nietzschean ?
        aguaviva 2y ago
        No (and I don't see much value in hypotheticals, generally).
        medo-bear 2y ago
        Ok
        aguaviva 2y ago