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But that's not a gas vs. electric distinction, but rather an old vs. new one. Modern ICE cars have all of those problems too.
by josephcsible 2y ago
But that's not a gas vs. electric distinction, but rather an old vs. new one. Modern ICE cars have all of those problems too.
- snowwrestler 2y agoYes but the point is, this technology is a blocker for people who might otherwise be interested in an electric powertrain vehicle. If you want an old car without all this crap, you can get one. But it pretty much has to be an ICE.
- bluGill 2y agoYou can convert any ice car to an ev. I takes time but is straight forward
- asteroidburger 2y agoFor various definitions of "you." That's far beyond the reach of the average consumer.
- snozolli 2y agoSo pay someone to do it for you. The free market has a solution. It's odd how anti-hack Hacker News has become.
- jmb99 2y agoTime, money, and lots of knowledge and skill. Actually, lots of time and money too. It’s really not a practical thing for at least 99% of the population. Probably more like 4 or 5 nines.
- bigfatkitten 2y agoSure. Other than being extremely expensive unless you've got the skills and facilities to do all the work yourself, and have the time and money to get all the engineering certifications required to make it road legal. If you can do it all yourself, it's only moderately expensive.
- bluGill 2y agoIn the us at least homebuilt cars slide through a lot of loopholes. And since you are coverting a car you automatically get many things that made the car road legal.
- djbusby 2y agoBild your own electric in an old style body? Fun, if nothing else.
- nine_k 2y agoAlso time and expense.
- ndsipa_pomu 2y agoProbably not a good idea as the battery weight wouldn't have been figured into the original chassis/brakes design.
- codingdave 2y agoRight, you need to do that engineering yourself. And ICE engines are heavy, so it typically is reasonable to work out as the lighter engine compensates for the battery weight. It is a design task, not a project killer.
- ndsipa_pomu 2y agoIf modern EVs are anything to go by, the battery weight will be substantially more than the weight of an ICE engine plus gearbox etc. But yes, it'd be for the hobbyist to figure out the details and whether it is safe enough to drive.
- ninalanyon 2y agoThe EV version of the Hyundai Ioniq is only about 60 kg heavier than the hybrid version and at about 1 500 kg is not much over the average for cars of its class. EVs really are not a great deal heavier than the ICE versions of the same or similar vehicles. The Jaguar I-Pace EV is lighter than some variants of the F-Pace ICE.
- lawaaiig 2y agoHyundai offers an EV version of the Casper: it's 1335kg vs 985kg for the petrol variant. Surely that's a great deal heavier? The Aygo finds an all-electric competitor in the Renault Zoë whose battery pack alone weighs 300kg, a hefty increase compared to the 70kg engine of the aygo. Volkswagen's up! comes in at 929kg; the e-up! registers at 1229kg. Regarding the I-pace vs the F-pace I was unable to find more than a single version with a greater weight than the I-pace, though I admit I haven't analyzed the specs of all 108 editions. That single example weighing more was, of course, a hybrid. EV versions are, primarily due to the weight of their battery packs, significantly heavier than their ICE counterparts and that's fine.
- lostlogin 2y ago> this technology is a blocker for people who might otherwise be interested in an electric powertrain vehicle. This surely isn’t a large group.
- _ea1k 2y agoYeah, its the same stuff that I've been told for decades now. TBH, it is probably less true with a lot of EVs than it was with the gas cars. ECUs are pretty strict and sometimes hard to hack. Meanwhile, third party motor controllers for Tesla motors exist, and the batteries aren't exactly magic. There's really nothing about electric drivetrains that makes anything vastly more locked down.
- p1necone 2y agoYeah if the world went in the direction that prepper types seem to get wet dreams about petrol ICE cars would only be usable for a year or so - petrol has a shelf life, and you ain't running your own refinery. A lot of diesels can run off of any vaguely fuel-like liquid you decide to put in them, so I'm sure sufficiently knowledgable people would keep those running, machining parts for them etc. But electric vehicles are by far simpler than both of those, and generating electricity is easier than producing fuel you can shove in a diesel engine.
- snozolli 2y agopetrol ICE cars would only be usable for a year or so The Internet really overstates this. Fuel injected systems are sealed. Carbureted systems are open to outside air, so the fuel is constantly evaporating, leaving residue behind, and absorbing moisture from the atmosphere. Gasoline in a sealed container remains usable for far longer than people on the Internet say it will. Anyway, the final state of an apocalypse car would be running on wood gas. North Korea runs some or all of their military trucks on it (this may have changed as they've increased relations with Russia). An episode of Car Talk explained how it was used by German civilians during WWII: https://www.cartalk.com/radio/show/1201-20-miles-wood-chip https://www.cartalk.com/radio/show/1201-20-miles-wood-chip
- twobitshifter 2y agoYou can make an ICE run on wood gas which is arguably more apocalypse proof than electric.
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