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> as some of the Canadian experience has demonstrated I live in Canada, and I keep hearing this kind of stuff brought up by Americans. What, exactly, is "the

by grecy 2y ago

> as some of the Canadian experience has demonstrated I live in Canada, and I keep hearing this kind of stuff brought up by Americans. What, exactly, is "the Canadian experience"? It would be best if your sources are not American media outlets intended for American audiences they are looking to manipulate.

bondarchuk 2y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_Canada
- grecy 2y ago
  My Mum died slowly from lung cancer over almost three years. It spread to basically every organ in her body, she was taking so much chemo they eventually said they had to stop or the chemo would kill her before the cancer would. The intense pain, humiliation and knowing it was a certain death sentence hung over her every single minute of every single day. My family would have given anything to have been allowed access to assisted suicide by the end. And I guarantee you would too. Anyone that says otherwise simply hasn't lived it.
  - enaaem 2y ago
    Yeah dying sucks. Too many people have this delusion that their death will happen peacefully in their sleep. There is no guarantee whatsoever. Good chance it will be awful. If needed, I want to have the option for myself to get over with it swiftly.
    - vidarh 2y ago
      I saw both my grandmothers waste away waste away with Alzheimer's, and one of the worst parts was seeing the effect on my grandfather's. One of them spent a decade mostly sitting in a chair next to his wife who no longer spoke or recognized anyone...
  - svieira 2y ago
    I am very sorry for your loss. > And I guarantee you would too Please don't presume. Having just buried my mother last year after caring for her as the cancer literally ate her bones away ... no, I did not and I still would not choose suicide over waiting for the end.
- belval 2y ago
  I feel like that's hardly a solid rebuttal. The "Handling of specific cases" has 10 cases, a few of which I would struggle to tie to assisted dying. During the year with the most event (2022), 5 events occured for over 13 000 patients that chose assisted dying. That's 1 for every 2600 person and these events are basically just people suggesting MAiD improperly.
fidotron 2y ago
I am British and Canadian. Some of the famous incidents: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/veterans-maid-rcmp-investigation-1.6663885 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/veterans-maid-rcmp-investig... https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/paralympian-trying-to-get-wheelchair-ramp-says-veterans-affairs-employee-offered-her-assisted-dying-1.6179325 https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/paralympian-trying-to-get-wh... The Canadian “care” industry is also a dumpster fire: https://globalnews.ca/news/4870784/gilles-duceppes-mother-found-dead/ https://globalnews.ca/news/4870784/gilles-duceppes-mother-fo...
- vizzier 2y ago
  > That prompted MacAulay to order an internal investigation, which has now uncovered a total of four cases where veterans were allegedly offered MAID — all apparently by the same caseworker. Rogue employees suggesting bad treatment doesn't seem too much a cause for concern so long as they're caught before it goes further. After all, people like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Shipman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Shipman exist prior to this ruling.
mardifoufs 2y ago
By Americans? Why do some Canadians try to sweep under the rug actual debates by dismissing them as being "american arguments"? Surely as a Canadian you have seen that there has been a constant debate about the limits and excesses of MAID? Even the CBC has a few yearly articles about someone getting euthanized because they wanted to die because they were too poor and similar. I mean, we live in a country where the ruling party has 30% of the vote, and 35% when they had a majority in parliament. So why pretend that disagreements with Canadian policy is somehow just coming from Americans not understanding our wonderful country? It's super weird and it's oddly common on places like here and Reddit.
- stackghost 2y ago
  >Why do some Canadians try to sweep under the rug actual debates by dismissing them as being "american arguments"? Because we live here, it's not as big a deal as right-wing ideologues would like you to believe, and it's usually American religious conservatives (or Canadian wannabe-Americans) doing the hand-wringing and the clutching at pearls. >Surely as a Canadian you have seen that there has been a constant debate about the limits and excesses of MAID? Yes, there has been spirited debate about a major shift in public health policy. Are you suggesting this is somehow bad?
  - bondarchuk 2y ago
    It's easy for you to say it's not a big deal when you're not the one getting killed by the government.
    - stackghost 2y ago
      Your choice of words implies it's the government murdering it's citizens. These people have requested it from a medical doctor.
      - bondarchuk 2y ago
        I said killed, not murdered. It is killing plain and simple, and if we cannot face up to that fact as a society then we are surely not ready to make the decision.

by grecy 2y ago

bondarchuk 2y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_Canada

grecy 2y ago
My Mum died slowly from lung cancer over almost three years. It spread to basically every organ in her body, she was taking so much chemo they eventually said they had to stop or the chemo would kill her before the cancer would. The intense pain, humiliation and knowing it was a certain death sentence hung over her every single minute of every single day. My family would have given anything to have been allowed access to assisted suicide by the end. And I guarantee you would too. Anyone that says otherwise simply hasn't lived it.
- enaaem 2y ago
  Yeah dying sucks. Too many people have this delusion that their death will happen peacefully in their sleep. There is no guarantee whatsoever. Good chance it will be awful. If needed, I want to have the option for myself to get over with it swiftly.
  - vidarh 2y ago
    I saw both my grandmothers waste away waste away with Alzheimer's, and one of the worst parts was seeing the effect on my grandfather's. One of them spent a decade mostly sitting in a chair next to his wife who no longer spoke or recognized anyone...
- svieira 2y ago
  I am very sorry for your loss. > And I guarantee you would too Please don't presume. Having just buried my mother last year after caring for her as the cancer literally ate her bones away ... no, I did not and I still would not choose suicide over waiting for the end.
belval 2y ago
I feel like that's hardly a solid rebuttal. The "Handling of specific cases" has 10 cases, a few of which I would struggle to tie to assisted dying. During the year with the most event (2022), 5 events occured for over 13 000 patients that chose assisted dying. That's 1 for every 2600 person and these events are basically just people suggesting MAiD improperly.

fidotron 2y ago

I am British and Canadian. Some of the famous incidents: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/veterans-maid-rcmp-investigation-1.6663885 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/veterans-maid-rcmp-investig... https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/paralympian-trying-to-get-wheelchair-ramp-says-veterans-affairs-employee-offered-her-assisted-dying-1.6179325 https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/paralympian-trying-to-get-wh... The Canadian “care” industry is also a dumpster fire: https://globalnews.ca/news/4870784/gilles-duceppes-mother-found-dead/ https://globalnews.ca/news/4870784/gilles-duceppes-mother-fo...

vizzier 2y ago
> That prompted MacAulay to order an internal investigation, which has now uncovered a total of four cases where veterans were allegedly offered MAID — all apparently by the same caseworker. Rogue employees suggesting bad treatment doesn't seem too much a cause for concern so long as they're caught before it goes further. After all, people like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Shipman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Shipman exist prior to this ruling.

mardifoufs 2y ago

By Americans? Why do some Canadians try to sweep under the rug actual debates by dismissing them as being "american arguments"? Surely as a Canadian you have seen that there has been a constant debate about the limits and excesses of MAID? Even the CBC has a few yearly articles about someone getting euthanized because they wanted to die because they were too poor and similar. I mean, we live in a country where the ruling party has 30% of the vote, and 35% when they had a majority in parliament. So why pretend that disagreements with Canadian policy is somehow just coming from Americans not understanding our wonderful country? It's super weird and it's oddly common on places like here and Reddit.

stackghost 2y ago
>Why do some Canadians try to sweep under the rug actual debates by dismissing them as being "american arguments"? Because we live here, it's not as big a deal as right-wing ideologues would like you to believe, and it's usually American religious conservatives (or Canadian wannabe-Americans) doing the hand-wringing and the clutching at pearls. >Surely as a Canadian you have seen that there has been a constant debate about the limits and excesses of MAID? Yes, there has been spirited debate about a major shift in public health policy. Are you suggesting this is somehow bad?
- bondarchuk 2y ago
  It's easy for you to say it's not a big deal when you're not the one getting killed by the government.
  - stackghost 2y ago
    Your choice of words implies it's the government murdering it's citizens. These people have requested it from a medical doctor.
    - bondarchuk 2y ago
      I said killed, not murdered. It is killing plain and simple, and if we cannot face up to that fact as a society then we are surely not ready to make the decision.