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Probably current singapore or 80s Hong Kong

aylmao 2y ago
The state holds a lot of power in Singapore, it's very authoritarian. Sounds quite at odds to Milei and his libertarian idology.
- pavlov 2y ago
  The anti-state people often like the idea of an authoritarian leader figure who will fix things by their genius and power of will. Some really do want monarchy (see Curtis Yarvin), but others believe that the dissolution of state power needs to go through an authoritarian phase to happen at all. It’s not so different from the old-school communists who claimed that a “dictatorship of the proletariat” is a necessary step towards the true freedom of mankind under proper Communism. Conveniently they were the ones in charge of the “temporary” dictatorship in this picture. Libertarianism and communism are ideological siblings. Both fail time and time again, but to the believers it’s always someone else’s fault and the proper implementation of the ideology simply hasn’t been tried yet.
  - dmarcos 2y ago
    Is not Milei in Argentina the first self-identified libertarian president in history? Where has libertarianism failed?
    - brg 2y ago
      IMHO, Libertarianism fails not by collapse but by success. Any movement in the direction brings economic and social freedom, but in turn creates soft times in which a society's pendulum shift back to larger government is inevitable.
    - pavlov 2y ago
      Here’s a funny recent one: https://newrepublic.com/article/159662/libertarian-walks-into-bear-book-review-free-town-project https://newrepublic.com/article/159662/libertarian-walks-int... “When a group of libertarians set about scrapping their local government, chaos descended. And then the bears moved in” But surely there’s a million reasons why these were not True Libertarians, they were just doing it wrong, and the ideology is actually sound. Just like with communism.
- tim333 2y ago
  The state is quite controlling in some areas like law and order and banning drugs but pretty laissez faire on economic policy.
theoa 2y ago
I lived in Hong Kong from 1981 to 1991. * Overflowing with optimism and "can do" * Equal protection under the law no matter the origin * Max tax 15% for all * Education and health benefits for all (accepting always flaws somewhere) * Anti-corruption was effective (ICAC) * Straightforward process to become a voting legal immigrant for non-Chinese * Many people speaking English, various Chinese dialects, Tagalog and more * Springboard to helping adjacent countries modernize * Unparalleled Eastern and Western food and housing and sociability I moved to San Francisco only because I was a techie and had a need to change the world. If there had been the Internet, I might still be there...
- drexlspivey 2y ago
  Milton Friedman made a documentary about it https://youtu.be/xqh0zXSd4vc https://youtu.be/xqh0zXSd4vc
fire_lake 2y ago
Hong Kong is dense, tiny, central and resource poor. Isn’t Argentina basically the opposite?
- tim333 2y ago
  The Hong Kong economic model could be applied to any country really. Though it benefited a bit from the cultures involved, the Chinese being quite industrious and the English doing quite well with law and order.

The state holds a lot of power in Singapore, it's very authoritarian. Sounds quite at odds to Milei and his libertarian idology.

pavlov 2y ago
The anti-state people often like the idea of an authoritarian leader figure who will fix things by their genius and power of will. Some really do want monarchy (see Curtis Yarvin), but others believe that the dissolution of state power needs to go through an authoritarian phase to happen at all. It’s not so different from the old-school communists who claimed that a “dictatorship of the proletariat” is a necessary step towards the true freedom of mankind under proper Communism. Conveniently they were the ones in charge of the “temporary” dictatorship in this picture. Libertarianism and communism are ideological siblings. Both fail time and time again, but to the believers it’s always someone else’s fault and the proper implementation of the ideology simply hasn’t been tried yet.
- dmarcos 2y ago
  Is not Milei in Argentina the first self-identified libertarian president in history? Where has libertarianism failed?
  - brg 2y ago
    IMHO, Libertarianism fails not by collapse but by success. Any movement in the direction brings economic and social freedom, but in turn creates soft times in which a society's pendulum shift back to larger government is inevitable.
  - pavlov 2y ago
    Here’s a funny recent one: https://newrepublic.com/article/159662/libertarian-walks-into-bear-book-review-free-town-project https://newrepublic.com/article/159662/libertarian-walks-int... “When a group of libertarians set about scrapping their local government, chaos descended. And then the bears moved in” But surely there’s a million reasons why these were not True Libertarians, they were just doing it wrong, and the ideology is actually sound. Just like with communism.
tim333 2y ago
The state is quite controlling in some areas like law and order and banning drugs but pretty laissez faire on economic policy.

theoa 2y ago

I lived in Hong Kong from 1981 to 1991. * Overflowing with optimism and "can do" * Equal protection under the law no matter the origin * Max tax 15% for all * Education and health benefits for all (accepting always flaws somewhere) * Anti-corruption was effective (ICAC) * Straightforward process to become a voting legal immigrant for non-Chinese * Many people speaking English, various Chinese dialects, Tagalog and more * Springboard to helping adjacent countries modernize * Unparalleled Eastern and Western food and housing and sociability I moved to San Francisco only because I was a techie and had a need to change the world. If there had been the Internet, I might still be there...

drexlspivey 2y ago
Milton Friedman made a documentary about it https://youtu.be/xqh0zXSd4vc https://youtu.be/xqh0zXSd4vc

fire_lake 2y ago

Hong Kong is dense, tiny, central and resource poor. Isn’t Argentina basically the opposite?

tim333 2y ago
The Hong Kong economic model could be applied to any country really. Though it benefited a bit from the cultures involved, the Chinese being quite industrious and the English doing quite well with law and order.