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Is Alibaba's LLM the "Chinese LLM"? It would appear to have been a U.S.-only game until now. As Eric Schmidt said in the YouTube lecture (that keeps getting pu
by JKCalhoun 2y ago
Is Alibaba's LLM the "Chinese LLM"?
It would appear to have been a U.S.-only game until now. As Eric Schmidt said in the YouTube lecture (that keeps getting pulled down), LLM's have been a rich-companies game.
- lokimedes 2y agoDeepmind is in the UK and Mistral is in France? Alibaba has been pumping out a bunch of useful models for a long time.
- sangnoir 2y agoIt is officially "Google Deepmind" now, according to their website - https://deepmind.google https://deepmind.google
- whimsicalism 2y agoyou only think that because you haven’t been paying close attention qwen, deepseek, yi - there have been a number of high quality, open chinese competitors
- JKCalhoun 2y agoThanks. You're right, I am a layman. I may also have been focusing on the "open" LLMs since they seem to get the most talked about on HN.
- stavros 2y agoWhat do you mean by "open"? AFAIK Qwen, Deepseek etc are just as open as the rest.
- JKCalhoun 2y agoI'm learning quite a bit today. Hopefully there are some other clueless readers that are learning from my dumb comments.
- skyyler 2y ago>other clueless readers that are learning Indeed! I don't pay attention to this space often and this chain of comments has been enlightening. Thank you for being vocally clueless while we remained mostly-silently-clueless, JKCalhoun! :-)
- sebastiennight 2y agoChain-of-Comments was the real deep learning breakthrough we needed all along
- teaearlgraycold 2y agoAnd AI21, which is Israeli
- jimmySixDOF 2y agoAnd UAE's TII with Flacon
- whimsicalism 2y agothat model is undertrained and kinda sucks
- whimsicalism 2y agoit’s a good model, but not in the same class as the ones i just named
- throawayonthe 2y ago[dead]
- mistrial9 2y agono, it is the opposite. China had versions of LLMs since before they were widely public. see the LLama family history chart for one example
- ddtaylor 2y agoWhat lecture is this?
- sangnoir 2y agoThe a 2024 lecture with Stanford students where he also insinuated that Google lost its edge because it coddles its engineers too much.
- cma 2y agoIn a recent interview he said where he was saying they are 2-4 years behind, with these o1-like releases he thinks he was wrong on that and they are now only one year behind. And I think that was after the earlier non-open one from China and not knowing about this one yet. I've heard mixed things on whether this one is even more capable than that earlier one from a week or two ago, but sounds like it is pretty close.
- hamilyon2 2y agoHave you tried Mistral? I am blown away by how good it is.