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In Finnish news currently whenever anything bad happens, the first suspicion is a conspiracy throry about Russian involvement. The press is in sort of a war pro

In Finnish news currently whenever anything bad happens, the first suspicion is a conspiracy throry about Russian involvement. The press is in sort of a war propaganda mode. And if you mention this, you're an instant suspect of taking part in a Russian disinformation campaign.

preisschild 2y ago
> the first suspicion is a conspiracy throry about Russian involvement Its not war propaganda when there is actually a lot of proven "hybrid warfare" being conducted by Russia. This fits perfectly in their MO
- itsoktocry 2y ago
  >conducted by Russia Conducted by everyone, including the US and the west (in fact, I'm positive that we are the best at it).
  - benterix 2y ago
    The closest what I can call it is whataboutism. Russia is actively trying to provoke the West in various ways. The most that West is doing is helping Ukraine to defend itself. We are not gathering poor immigrants into planes and transporting them to borders with Finland, Poland etc. instructing them to push their way to the other side. We are not sending inflammable materials via commercial airplanes. And we are not killing Russian spies in Moscow like they did with Lytvynenko. As for Putin being upset with the West helping Ukraine: they can stop it at any moment. It's enough they stop attacking Ukraine and go home, as simple as that.
    - willy_k 2y ago
      To be fair if we were the best at it, we would probably have less obvious / more easily deniable methods of getting our way. > As for Putin being upset with the West helping Ukraine: they can stop it at any moment. It's enough they stop attacking Ukraine and go home, as simple as that. The way I see it, staying in the war to force a treatise is Putin’s only option to preserve his regime, as well as his intention from the start, not anticipating the US prolonging the conflict.
  - preisschild 2y ago
    > Conducted by everyone, including the US and the west No we don't unless you think helping a victim defend against an aggressor is on the same level
    - guappa 2y ago
      Biden said he'd explode the gas pipeline… then the gas pipeline blows up… And we can't even suspect USA was involved?
  - aguaviva 2y ago
    Not the sabotage under discussion. Which can have only one actor behind it.
- miohtama 2y ago
  Here is today's news piece on hybrid warfare Russia is doing https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-behind-staggeringly-reckless-sabotage-in-europe-uk-spy-chief-says/ar-AA1uYrVu https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-behind-staggerin...
alkonaut 2y ago
> the first suspicion is a conspiracy throry about Russian involvement. Would you agree that this suspicion is a good base hypothesis for most forms of suspected sabotage?
simion314 2y ago
Exactly comrade, same when a personality that opposes Putin is assassinated on Putin's birthday all non Russians start with conspiracies when the FSB clearly told us it is a coincidence. Same when critics f Putin die from falling from windows, or when people Putin named traitors get posissoned with nerve gas, tons of consp[conspiracies. Can;t it be just a coincidence that all this people die and Putin is not a giant criminal? Russians do not like criminals, they would not worship criminals like Stalin, Putin, the Wagner guy /sarcasm
- guappa 2y ago
  You realise putin isn't communist right?
  - simion314 2y ago
    >You realise putin isn't communist right? reply I know, I did not said Putin is communist, he is a criminal but many Russians and some in Ukraine are still soviets in mentality, my point is that Russans think that criminals are good leaders, because they are though and Ruzzia needs to be tough and reclaim half of Europe because some fake history book said that Ruzzia has the right to dominate this people.
guappa 2y ago
In sweden a while ago they ran news about a "russian spy whale". It's actually a whale with some harness, nothing attached to the harness, that has lived around norway and sweden for several years… So in no way connected to ukraine. But the title and the article just look better that way.

preisschild 2y ago

> the first suspicion is a conspiracy throry about Russian involvement Its not war propaganda when there is actually a lot of proven "hybrid warfare" being conducted by Russia. This fits perfectly in their MO

itsoktocry 2y ago
>conducted by Russia Conducted by everyone, including the US and the west (in fact, I'm positive that we are the best at it).
- benterix 2y ago
  The closest what I can call it is whataboutism. Russia is actively trying to provoke the West in various ways. The most that West is doing is helping Ukraine to defend itself. We are not gathering poor immigrants into planes and transporting them to borders with Finland, Poland etc. instructing them to push their way to the other side. We are not sending inflammable materials via commercial airplanes. And we are not killing Russian spies in Moscow like they did with Lytvynenko. As for Putin being upset with the West helping Ukraine: they can stop it at any moment. It's enough they stop attacking Ukraine and go home, as simple as that.
  - willy_k 2y ago
    To be fair if we were the best at it, we would probably have less obvious / more easily deniable methods of getting our way. > As for Putin being upset with the West helping Ukraine: they can stop it at any moment. It's enough they stop attacking Ukraine and go home, as simple as that. The way I see it, staying in the war to force a treatise is Putin’s only option to preserve his regime, as well as his intention from the start, not anticipating the US prolonging the conflict.
- preisschild 2y ago
  > Conducted by everyone, including the US and the west No we don't unless you think helping a victim defend against an aggressor is on the same level
  - guappa 2y ago
    Biden said he'd explode the gas pipeline… then the gas pipeline blows up… And we can't even suspect USA was involved?
- aguaviva 2y ago
  Not the sabotage under discussion. Which can have only one actor behind it.
miohtama 2y ago
Here is today's news piece on hybrid warfare Russia is doing https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-behind-staggeringly-reckless-sabotage-in-europe-uk-spy-chief-says/ar-AA1uYrVu https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-behind-staggerin...

alkonaut 2y ago

> the first suspicion is a conspiracy throry about Russian involvement. Would you agree that this suspicion is a good base hypothesis for most forms of suspected sabotage?

simion314 2y ago

Exactly comrade, same when a personality that opposes Putin is assassinated on Putin's birthday all non Russians start with conspiracies when the FSB clearly told us it is a coincidence. Same when critics f Putin die from falling from windows, or when people Putin named traitors get posissoned with nerve gas, tons of consp[conspiracies. Can;t it be just a coincidence that all this people die and Putin is not a giant criminal? Russians do not like criminals, they would not worship criminals like Stalin, Putin, the Wagner guy /sarcasm

guappa 2y ago
You realise putin isn't communist right?
- simion314 2y ago
  >You realise putin isn't communist right? reply I know, I did not said Putin is communist, he is a criminal but many Russians and some in Ukraine are still soviets in mentality, my point is that Russans think that criminals are good leaders, because they are though and Ruzzia needs to be tough and reclaim half of Europe because some fake history book said that Ruzzia has the right to dominate this people.

guappa 2y ago

In sweden a while ago they ran news about a "russian spy whale". It's actually a whale with some harness, nothing attached to the harness, that has lived around norway and sweden for several years… So in no way connected to ukraine. But the title and the article just look better that way.