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There are loads of chargers all over Europe. And of course the most important one is close to where you live which you use for charging most of the time. My pa

There are loads of chargers all over Europe. And of course the most important one is close to where you live which you use for charging most of the time. My parents actually have an EV and rely on neighborhood chargers because their apartment block doesn't have a charger yet. It's fine. A bit of chore to park the car 500m from where they live once a week or so and then unplug it and drive it back to its regular parking spot. They are still saving loads of cash on fuel using only public chargers. Beats having to spend 60-70 euros on petrol. And it's not like they sit around waiting for the thing to charge. Also, you can charge most cars of a regular wall socket. It will be slow. But it works. Or you can use one of the hundreds of thousands of slow chargers in Europe. There are around 0.5M currently. Projected to double to 1M next year and grow to 3M by 2030. Lots of fast chargers too. You can drive all over Europe with an EV. It's petrol car owners that need to start worrying. Who is still supplying petrol? How far to the next working petrol station? The market for petrol and diesel is shrinking as rapidly as the EV market is growing. More, probably, because early adopters tend to be the ones that drive the most. You can't get petrol at home. And if your local petrol station closes, you'll need to drive a bit further. With commercial fleets, lease cars, delivery vans, etc. all going electric in a hurry, there are simply going to be less petrol stations. It's like finding hay or water for your horse when cars became a thing. Not going to be a thing on every street corner.

Cumpiler69 2y ago
>There are loads of chargers all over Europe. That's meaningless if the chargers are not at your home or close to where you live. And the public chargers available half are broken or have some issue or terrible UX on payment. Plus long charring time so you need to take time out of your day to go back to the charger and bring your car back home. Terrible UX versus a 3 minute refuel at a gas station and you're done for the week. EVs make the most sense when you have your charger at home, or at least at work. Otherwise UX sucks balls. Imagine not being able to charge your phone at home and always be looking to charge it in public. That would suck, wouldn't it? >It's petrol car owners that need to start worrying. Do you see gas stations closing en-masse yet? I haven't. >delivery vans, etc. all going electric in a hurry They are not in any hurry. Only the national post where I live has some EV delivery vans for virtue signaling and green washing. All the other smaller delivery companies and contractors use diesel vans almost exclusively because they need to actually care about range, saving money and turning a profit.
- pxndxx 2y ago
  People do drive to smelly, expensive _gas stations_ to power their gas-powered cars. Having to drive to plug your EV is not worse UX than that.
  - Cumpiler69 2y ago
    What does the smell have to do with it? Do people choose car refueling methods based on smell of the refueling place, or on cost/convenience of ownership? Can't some drunks or homeless people piss and shit at EV charging station and make them smell even worse than gasoline fumes? My point was you don't have to loiter for hours or leave your car at the gas station to fill it up then come back to get it like with EV chargers. It's a 3 minute in and out quickie situation so smell or not is not an issue. I wrote that argument in my previous comment as well but I guess you didn't read it.
    - pxndxx 2y ago
      I just realised I was writing a thought-out reply to someone named Cumpiler69.
      - Cumpiler69 2y ago
        [flagged]
  - sandos 2y ago
    The problem is that using public chargers is, at least in Sweden, so expensive compared to home charging that its suddenly an even worse economic choice to buy an EV. Using public DCFCs (even slow chargers are expensive) the cost is ofte comparable to diesel cars. Add ontop the very expensive EV prices...
- jillesvangurp 2y ago
  I think most people that have EVs are pretty happy. Very few people going back to an ICE car once they switch. Of course there are counter examples. But they are outnumbered by 9 to 1 by people that stick with EVs. And then they convince their neighbors. That's why the market is growing. By 20% world wide. Anyway, apparently Shell is planning to close a 1000 stations. About half of the petrol stations in the Netherlands are projected to disappear over the next 5-10 years. Not surprising considering the massive shift to EVs. Some countries this will go quicker than others of course. But even countries like Germany are starting to see a shift. You can deny all you want but the numbers are there if you care to look at them. I don't know many businesses that can deal with double digit percentages drops in demand. That's exactly what petrol stations have been facing for a while now and will continue to face. All the obvious things are happening. By the 2030s most commercial traffic will be electric. Because it's simply cheaper. It's not virtue signalling but economics that's driving this. All the small businesses, contractors, etc. that convince themselves they need to buy diesel at a premium in large quantities will be competing against others that simply don't. More every year. The rest is just Darwinism and market inertia.

Cumpiler69 2y ago

>There are loads of chargers all over Europe. That's meaningless if the chargers are not at your home or close to where you live. And the public chargers available half are broken or have some issue or terrible UX on payment. Plus long charring time so you need to take time out of your day to go back to the charger and bring your car back home. Terrible UX versus a 3 minute refuel at a gas station and you're done for the week. EVs make the most sense when you have your charger at home, or at least at work. Otherwise UX sucks balls. Imagine not being able to charge your phone at home and always be looking to charge it in public. That would suck, wouldn't it? >It's petrol car owners that need to start worrying. Do you see gas stations closing en-masse yet? I haven't. >delivery vans, etc. all going electric in a hurry They are not in any hurry. Only the national post where I live has some EV delivery vans for virtue signaling and green washing. All the other smaller delivery companies and contractors use diesel vans almost exclusively because they need to actually care about range, saving money and turning a profit.

pxndxx 2y ago
People do drive to smelly, expensive _gas stations_ to power their gas-powered cars. Having to drive to plug your EV is not worse UX than that.
- Cumpiler69 2y ago
  What does the smell have to do with it? Do people choose car refueling methods based on smell of the refueling place, or on cost/convenience of ownership? Can't some drunks or homeless people piss and shit at EV charging station and make them smell even worse than gasoline fumes? My point was you don't have to loiter for hours or leave your car at the gas station to fill it up then come back to get it like with EV chargers. It's a 3 minute in and out quickie situation so smell or not is not an issue. I wrote that argument in my previous comment as well but I guess you didn't read it.
  - pxndxx 2y ago
    I just realised I was writing a thought-out reply to someone named Cumpiler69.
    - Cumpiler69 2y ago
      [flagged]
- sandos 2y ago
  The problem is that using public chargers is, at least in Sweden, so expensive compared to home charging that its suddenly an even worse economic choice to buy an EV. Using public DCFCs (even slow chargers are expensive) the cost is ofte comparable to diesel cars. Add ontop the very expensive EV prices...
jillesvangurp 2y ago
I think most people that have EVs are pretty happy. Very few people going back to an ICE car once they switch. Of course there are counter examples. But they are outnumbered by 9 to 1 by people that stick with EVs. And then they convince their neighbors. That's why the market is growing. By 20% world wide. Anyway, apparently Shell is planning to close a 1000 stations. About half of the petrol stations in the Netherlands are projected to disappear over the next 5-10 years. Not surprising considering the massive shift to EVs. Some countries this will go quicker than others of course. But even countries like Germany are starting to see a shift. You can deny all you want but the numbers are there if you care to look at them. I don't know many businesses that can deal with double digit percentages drops in demand. That's exactly what petrol stations have been facing for a while now and will continue to face. All the obvious things are happening. By the 2030s most commercial traffic will be electric. Because it's simply cheaper. It's not virtue signalling but economics that's driving this. All the small businesses, contractors, etc. that convince themselves they need to buy diesel at a premium in large quantities will be competing against others that simply don't. More every year. The rest is just Darwinism and market inertia.