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I agree so much, but the pessimist in me says that this isn't _really_ free, and I don't want to plug in a cool person's info without knowing who the info is be

I agree so much, but the pessimist in me says that this isn't _really_ free, and I don't want to plug in a cool person's info without knowing who the info is being sold to. If this was publicly available document so I could fill in the missing bits, I'd send a dozen of these tomorrow.

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hackernewds 2y ago
send one to temp mail then copy it. if the privacy policy weren't so lax I'd not share the cynicism with you, but it state it'll be collected and shared
adnanaga 2y ago
it truly is free hahah we're using some free survey website plan and then Mark would fill in a template in google docs, print, and post the official letter. I think we hit our limit on the form though. We didn't expect it to blow up! Mark is gonna kill me when he checks his email
- richardw 2y ago
  “Yeah we pivoted to hiring and blackmail only later. Killer skills went to hiring, dodgy office romances went to blackmail. Profits are excellent.”
  - nolok 2y ago
    While true, it doesn't even have to be a pivot. It can be a sale of asset (volontary or necessary), an acquihire where the project and data just become some old vault to be disposed of and dozens other scenario. I'm sure no one at Yahoo actually thought or had any plan for all of that personal data to be data mined wholesale by Verizon a decade later. And nobody at Google right now believes all that data could be sold to Comcast or whatever. But things happen and then...
- walterbell 2y ago
  > some free survey website plan What's their privacy policy?
  - adnanaga 2y ago
    https://www.jotform.com/privacy/ https://www.jotform.com/privacy/
cootsnuck 2y ago
> I don't want to plug in a cool person's info without knowing who the info is being sold to. Have we reached peak data privacy paranoia? Harmless lil projects that harken back to the good ol' days of the internet are somehow actually devious PII honeypots? Why do people think their data is so valuable on its own without being connected to their actual consumer related behavior? Truly, what is a name and address worth vs. anonymous user on smart TV id_8z6748dxzh watched 3 hours of Hoarders on Amazon Prime, skipped 85% of ads, but did not skip 50% of ads relating to early onset male pattern baldness, and resides in Ohio? We somehow both overestimate and underestimate the value of our personal data. Which leads to unwarranted paranoia in inappropriate contexts and alarming indifference in the most common but mundane contexts.
- handfuloflight 2y ago
  This specific service will know who your friends are. And if enough people used it... they might have to reincorporate in California.
- davidron 2y ago
  The name and address is valuable because it can be matched to offline behavior through a bill you pay or rewards membership you are enrolled in to further enrich the data associated with id_8z6748dxzh and combine it with your shopping history at Macy's and Safeway, for instance. This is even more valuable when combined with your cellular bill. I've work in ad tech,and with CDPs for nearly 20 years.
  - exe34 2y ago
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    - dang 2y ago
      Personal attacks will get you banned here, so please don't do this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
jmml97 2y ago
> If this was publicly available document so I could fill in the missing bits, I'd send a dozen of these tomorrow. It is: you can click on 'WRITE YOUR OWN CONTINUE AND PERSIST HERE!'[1] to be sent to a Google Doc with the template. [1]: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_Um9z87Zv_zLRZRRHpii-MwmNXb3S9L6VBOeFgiqEVM https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_Um9z87Zv_zLRZRRHpii-Mwm...

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hackernewds 2y ago

send one to temp mail then copy it. if the privacy policy weren't so lax I'd not share the cynicism with you, but it state it'll be collected and shared

adnanaga 2y ago

it truly is free hahah we're using some free survey website plan and then Mark would fill in a template in google docs, print, and post the official letter. I think we hit our limit on the form though. We didn't expect it to blow up! Mark is gonna kill me when he checks his email

richardw 2y ago
“Yeah we pivoted to hiring and blackmail only later. Killer skills went to hiring, dodgy office romances went to blackmail. Profits are excellent.”
- nolok 2y ago
  While true, it doesn't even have to be a pivot. It can be a sale of asset (volontary or necessary), an acquihire where the project and data just become some old vault to be disposed of and dozens other scenario. I'm sure no one at Yahoo actually thought or had any plan for all of that personal data to be data mined wholesale by Verizon a decade later. And nobody at Google right now believes all that data could be sold to Comcast or whatever. But things happen and then...
walterbell 2y ago
> some free survey website plan What's their privacy policy?
- adnanaga 2y ago
  https://www.jotform.com/privacy/ https://www.jotform.com/privacy/

cootsnuck 2y ago

> I don't want to plug in a cool person's info without knowing who the info is being sold to. Have we reached peak data privacy paranoia? Harmless lil projects that harken back to the good ol' days of the internet are somehow actually devious PII honeypots? Why do people think their data is so valuable on its own without being connected to their actual consumer related behavior? Truly, what is a name and address worth vs. anonymous user on smart TV id_8z6748dxzh watched 3 hours of Hoarders on Amazon Prime, skipped 85% of ads, but did not skip 50% of ads relating to early onset male pattern baldness, and resides in Ohio? We somehow both overestimate and underestimate the value of our personal data. Which leads to unwarranted paranoia in inappropriate contexts and alarming indifference in the most common but mundane contexts.

handfuloflight 2y ago
This specific service will know who your friends are. And if enough people used it... they might have to reincorporate in California.
davidron 2y ago
The name and address is valuable because it can be matched to offline behavior through a bill you pay or rewards membership you are enrolled in to further enrich the data associated with id_8z6748dxzh and combine it with your shopping history at Macy's and Safeway, for instance. This is even more valuable when combined with your cellular bill. I've work in ad tech,and with CDPs for nearly 20 years.
- exe34 2y ago
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  - dang 2y ago
    Personal attacks will get you banned here, so please don't do this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

jmml97 2y ago

> If this was publicly available document so I could fill in the missing bits, I'd send a dozen of these tomorrow. It is: you can click on 'WRITE YOUR OWN CONTINUE AND PERSIST HERE!'[1] to be sent to a Google Doc with the template. [1]: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_Um9z87Zv_zLRZRRHpii-MwmNXb3S9L6VBOeFgiqEVM https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_Um9z87Zv_zLRZRRHpii-Mwm...