5 ms·
France has 12% of Europe's population, and its primary energy is 45% from fossil fuels and 40% from nuclear power. The effect on Europe as a whole is therefore
by fsh 2y ago
France has 12% of Europe's population, and its primary energy is 45% from fossil fuels and 40% from nuclear power. The effect on Europe as a whole is therefore pretty small.
- realusername 2y agoFrance is simultaneously one of the most populated countries in the EU and the of the top transitioned countries, it does make a difference
- thrance 2y agoI think you included transportation in your stats: planes, cars, trucks and boats. The electrical mix in France includes only 8% from fossil fuels, of which 7% come from natural gas. The rest is mostly nuclear, hydroelectric, wind and solar. In that order. France also regularly sells its surplus to neighboring countries.
- masklinn 2y ago> France also regularly sells its surplus to neighboring countries. And in order to do that it has pretty massive lines to neighbours meaning it also acts as an exchange platform (for a profit) e.g. if there are strong winds it can buy electricity from an oversupplied german grid and sell it to italy. https://app.electricitymaps.com/map/24h https://app.electricitymaps.com/map/24h provides live views of the european electricity grids, and France is the only country which is consistently green (and often dark green aka under 50gCO2eq/kWh) without being blessed with enough hydro for most or all of its requirements (as Iceland and Norway are).
- elihu 2y agoInteresting to see they have data for Russia now. I think that's new.
- fsh 2y agoMost countries use way more primary energy for heating and transportation than for electricity generation. It would be disingenuous not to include this.
- RandomThoughts3 2y agoIt’s fairly disingenuous to mix both actually when they don’t mingle. Especially when you consider that both heating and transportation are going in the direction of using more electricity which is actually favorable to the French choice.
- globular-toast 2y agoEnergy is energy. Why make a special category for heating and transport?
- gmueckl 2y agoIt's because the energy sources, technical implementation and uses are so vastly different between the power grid, heating and transportation.
- insane_dreamer 2y agoYou're not counting the energy outflows from France to neighboring countries. Also, France gets 70% of its energy from nuclear, not 40%.
- moooo99 2y ago> Also, France gets 70% of its energy from nuclear, not 40%. No, it gets 70% of its electricity from nuclear.
- RandomThoughts3 2y ago[flagged]
- immibis 2y agoCounting only electricity production when you are talking about CO2 emissions is dishonest. Cars also emit CO2.
- RandomThoughts3 2y agoThat doesn’t make sense. The goal is decarbonation, not arbitrary account. The sole reason to mix together things that don’t go together is making bad faith arguments like in this case.
- globular-toast 2y agoIf the goal is "decarbonation" then the only thing that matters is the bottom line. If nuclear truly leads to a lower net carbon output (which I'm sure it does, unless using nuclear power somehow causes people to heat their homes more or drive ICE vehicles more) then what are you worried about?
- RandomThoughts3 2y agoPeople are intentionally muddling the case to make France success looks less successful. I like how you pretend to be candid while actually making the situation worse. Always funny to observe.