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Marx and Engels were philosophers, not statesmen. Nietzsche is there but Hitler took alot of influence from him. Nietzsche was to Hitler what Marx was to Stalin

Marx and Engels were philosophers, not statesmen. Nietzsche is there but Hitler took alot of influence from him. Nietzsche was to Hitler what Marx was to Stalin. Hitler was financed by people who opposed the ideas by Max and Engels. People in Germany largely hate Hitler. Stalin did some horrible things primarily to Russians, but people in Russia to this day love Stalin. Same thing with Mao

hagbard_c 2y ago
There's plenty of people who either (claim to) love Hitler or who - according to the media at least - are ardent followers of his philosophies (for lack of a better term) as well so in that respect he's right up there together with the others.
- medo-bear 2y ago
  Not to the extent that Russian people admire Stalin, which for a guy that apparently did so much evil to Russia and Russians and wasnt even Russian himself is pretty strange, right? One would think that Russians would see Stalin like Jews see Hitler. Apparently he killed more innocent Russians than Hitler killed Jews https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47975704 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47975704
aguaviva 2y ago
Nietzsche is there but Hitler took alot of influence from him. Nietzsche was to Hitler what Marx was to Stalin. Pure nonsense.
- medo-bear 2y ago
  It is actually not. Connection of irrationalism to far right is well documented https://www.wilsonquarterly.com/quarterly/summer-2008-saving-the-world/nietzsche-and-the-nazis https://www.wilsonquarterly.com/quarterly/summer-2008-saving... https://jacobin.com/2023/09/georg-lukacs-irrationalism-right-wing-thought-philosophy https://jacobin.com/2023/09/georg-lukacs-irrationalism-right...
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  - aguaviva 2y ago
    Even the article you're attempting to draw support from didn't attempt to claim that "Hitler took a lot of influence" from Nietzsche. At most it was second-hand, through another guy whom barely anyone remembers these days, and who who woefully miscontrued him anyway. Meanwhile there's not even a whiff of substance behind this statement: Nietzsche was to Hitler what Marx was to Stalin.
    - medo-bear 2y ago
      The article also says, During World War II, Hitler’s soldiers marched off to battle with field-gray editions of Friedrich Nietzsche’s works in their packs, and ordinary Germans were occasionally urged on with the philosopher’s words. Seems like 'little red book' vibes to me. On the other hand, do you really think Stalin faithfully represented Marx's ideas? There are many parallels between Stalin's approach to Marx and Hitler's to Nietzsche, even regarding obvious misintrepretation. https://www.marxists.org/archive/lukacs/works/nietzsche/ch04.htm https://www.marxists.org/archive/lukacs/works/nietzsche/ch04... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influence_and_reception_of_Friedrich_Nietzsche#Nietzsche_and_fascism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influence_and_reception_of_F...
      - aguaviva 2y ago
        Seems like 'little red book' vibes to me. Except the anecdote is painfully overstretched. Apparently that distribution was limited in scope, and only some 150k soldiers were given the 'little grey book' (Zarathustra) out of some 18 million who served in the Wehrmacht overall. So not that ubiquitous. Plus they were also given copies of the New Testament apparently, so what's that supposed to prove?
        medo-bear 2y ago
        I think I said enough to demonstrate that Nietsche's influence on fascism and nazim is quite concerning. Besides, Marxism has had a profound effect on western philosophy, social studies, and economics, and probably continues to this day in many indirect and possibly even direct ways. Not including any of the works by Karl Marx or Friedrich Engels is a huge omission in the ops article. > Plus they were also given copies of the New Testament apparently, so what's that supposed to prove? Oh Im definitely not saying that the Church (and religion in general) hasnt mind fucked millions of people accross generations and even gave outright support to fascism nazism and their offsprings. Look at the church's relationship with the ustashe regime in croatia and the estado novo in portugal as most obvious examples.

hagbard_c 2y ago

There's plenty of people who either (claim to) love Hitler or who - according to the media at least - are ardent followers of his philosophies (for lack of a better term) as well so in that respect he's right up there together with the others.

medo-bear 2y ago
Not to the extent that Russian people admire Stalin, which for a guy that apparently did so much evil to Russia and Russians and wasnt even Russian himself is pretty strange, right? One would think that Russians would see Stalin like Jews see Hitler. Apparently he killed more innocent Russians than Hitler killed Jews https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47975704 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47975704

aguaviva 2y ago

Nietzsche is there but Hitler took alot of influence from him. Nietzsche was to Hitler what Marx was to Stalin. Pure nonsense.

medo-bear 2y ago
It is actually not. Connection of irrationalism to far right is well documented https://www.wilsonquarterly.com/quarterly/summer-2008-saving-the-world/nietzsche-and-the-nazis https://www.wilsonquarterly.com/quarterly/summer-2008-saving... https://jacobin.com/2023/09/georg-lukacs-irrationalism-right-wing-thought-philosophy https://jacobin.com/2023/09/georg-lukacs-irrationalism-right...
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- aguaviva 2y ago
  Even the article you're attempting to draw support from didn't attempt to claim that "Hitler took a lot of influence" from Nietzsche. At most it was second-hand, through another guy whom barely anyone remembers these days, and who who woefully miscontrued him anyway. Meanwhile there's not even a whiff of substance behind this statement: Nietzsche was to Hitler what Marx was to Stalin.
  - medo-bear 2y ago
    The article also says, During World War II, Hitler’s soldiers marched off to battle with field-gray editions of Friedrich Nietzsche’s works in their packs, and ordinary Germans were occasionally urged on with the philosopher’s words. Seems like 'little red book' vibes to me. On the other hand, do you really think Stalin faithfully represented Marx's ideas? There are many parallels between Stalin's approach to Marx and Hitler's to Nietzsche, even regarding obvious misintrepretation. https://www.marxists.org/archive/lukacs/works/nietzsche/ch04.htm https://www.marxists.org/archive/lukacs/works/nietzsche/ch04... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influence_and_reception_of_Friedrich_Nietzsche#Nietzsche_and_fascism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influence_and_reception_of_F...
    - aguaviva 2y ago
      Seems like 'little red book' vibes to me. Except the anecdote is painfully overstretched. Apparently that distribution was limited in scope, and only some 150k soldiers were given the 'little grey book' (Zarathustra) out of some 18 million who served in the Wehrmacht overall. So not that ubiquitous. Plus they were also given copies of the New Testament apparently, so what's that supposed to prove?
      - medo-bear 2y ago
        I think I said enough to demonstrate that Nietsche's influence on fascism and nazim is quite concerning. Besides, Marxism has had a profound effect on western philosophy, social studies, and economics, and probably continues to this day in many indirect and possibly even direct ways. Not including any of the works by Karl Marx or Friedrich Engels is a huge omission in the ops article. > Plus they were also given copies of the New Testament apparently, so what's that supposed to prove? Oh Im definitely not saying that the Church (and religion in general) hasnt mind fucked millions of people accross generations and even gave outright support to fascism nazism and their offsprings. Look at the church's relationship with the ustashe regime in croatia and the estado novo in portugal as most obvious examples.