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What a huge ommision not to include anything from Karl Marx and Friedrich Engles. The blokes 'mindfucked' the entire world during the last century

hagbard_c 2y ago
There are other blokes who mindfucked the world and penned down some of their ideas who similarly, and maybe for similar reasons did not make the list. There's Mao Tse-Tung's 'Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-tung' and other works published in his name [1], countless works 'by' Joseph Stalin [2], Adolf Hitler's 'Mein Kampf' and other works in his name [3] just to mention a few. All of these had great impact on the world and inspired countless people just like the collected works of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. I suspect this is not the type of inspiration the authors of the list are looking for, hence their omission. [1] https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/4797485.Mao_Zedong https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/4797485.Mao_Zedong [2] https://www.goodreads.com/author/list/138332.Joseph_Stalin https://www.goodreads.com/author/list/138332.Joseph_Stalin [3] https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/30691.Adolf_Hitler https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/30691.Adolf_Hitler
- medo-bear 2y ago
  Marx and Engels were philosophers, not statesmen. Nietzsche is there but Hitler took alot of influence from him. Nietzsche was to Hitler what Marx was to Stalin. Hitler was financed by people who opposed the ideas by Max and Engels. People in Germany largely hate Hitler. Stalin did some horrible things primarily to Russians, but people in Russia to this day love Stalin. Same thing with Mao
  - hagbard_c 2y ago
    There's plenty of people who either (claim to) love Hitler or who - according to the media at least - are ardent followers of his philosophies (for lack of a better term) as well so in that respect he's right up there together with the others.
    - medo-bear 2y ago
      Not to the extent that Russian people admire Stalin, which for a guy that apparently did so much evil to Russia and Russians and wasnt even Russian himself is pretty strange, right? One would think that Russians would see Stalin like Jews see Hitler. Apparently he killed more innocent Russians than Hitler killed Jews https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47975704 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47975704
  - aguaviva 2y ago
    Nietzsche is there but Hitler took alot of influence from him. Nietzsche was to Hitler what Marx was to Stalin. Pure nonsense.
    - medo-bear 2y ago
      It is actually not. Connection of irrationalism to far right is well documented https://www.wilsonquarterly.com/quarterly/summer-2008-saving-the-world/nietzsche-and-the-nazis https://www.wilsonquarterly.com/quarterly/summer-2008-saving... https://jacobin.com/2023/09/georg-lukacs-irrationalism-right-wing-thought-philosophy https://jacobin.com/2023/09/georg-lukacs-irrationalism-right...
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      - aguaviva 2y ago
        Even the article you're attempting to draw support from didn't attempt to claim that "Hitler took a lot of influence" from Nietzsche. At most it was second-hand, through another guy whom barely anyone remembers these days, and who who woefully miscontrued him anyway. Meanwhile there's not even a whiff of substance behind this statement: Nietzsche was to Hitler what Marx was to Stalin.
        medo-bear 2y ago
        The article also says, During World War II, Hitler’s soldiers marched off to battle with field-gray editions of Friedrich Nietzsche’s works in their packs, and ordinary Germans were occasionally urged on with the philosopher’s words. Seems like 'little red book' vibes to me. On the other hand, do you really think Stalin faithfully represented Marx's ideas? There are many parallels between Stalin's approach to Marx and Hitler's to Nietzsche, even regarding obvious misintrepretation. https://www.marxists.org/archive/lukacs/works/nietzsche/ch04.htm https://www.marxists.org/archive/lukacs/works/nietzsche/ch04... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influence_and_reception_of_Friedrich_Nietzsche#Nietzsche_and_fascism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influence_and_reception_of_F...

hagbard_c 2y ago

There are other blokes who mindfucked the world and penned down some of their ideas who similarly, and maybe for similar reasons did not make the list. There's Mao Tse-Tung's 'Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-tung' and other works published in his name [1], countless works 'by' Joseph Stalin [2], Adolf Hitler's 'Mein Kampf' and other works in his name [3] just to mention a few. All of these had great impact on the world and inspired countless people just like the collected works of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. I suspect this is not the type of inspiration the authors of the list are looking for, hence their omission. [1] https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/4797485.Mao_Zedong https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/4797485.Mao_Zedong [2] https://www.goodreads.com/author/list/138332.Joseph_Stalin https://www.goodreads.com/author/list/138332.Joseph_Stalin [3] https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/30691.Adolf_Hitler https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/30691.Adolf_Hitler

medo-bear 2y ago
Marx and Engels were philosophers, not statesmen. Nietzsche is there but Hitler took alot of influence from him. Nietzsche was to Hitler what Marx was to Stalin. Hitler was financed by people who opposed the ideas by Max and Engels. People in Germany largely hate Hitler. Stalin did some horrible things primarily to Russians, but people in Russia to this day love Stalin. Same thing with Mao
- hagbard_c 2y ago
  There's plenty of people who either (claim to) love Hitler or who - according to the media at least - are ardent followers of his philosophies (for lack of a better term) as well so in that respect he's right up there together with the others.
  - medo-bear 2y ago
    Not to the extent that Russian people admire Stalin, which for a guy that apparently did so much evil to Russia and Russians and wasnt even Russian himself is pretty strange, right? One would think that Russians would see Stalin like Jews see Hitler. Apparently he killed more innocent Russians than Hitler killed Jews https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47975704 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47975704
- aguaviva 2y ago
  Nietzsche is there but Hitler took alot of influence from him. Nietzsche was to Hitler what Marx was to Stalin. Pure nonsense.
  - medo-bear 2y ago
    It is actually not. Connection of irrationalism to far right is well documented https://www.wilsonquarterly.com/quarterly/summer-2008-saving-the-world/nietzsche-and-the-nazis https://www.wilsonquarterly.com/quarterly/summer-2008-saving... https://jacobin.com/2023/09/georg-lukacs-irrationalism-right-wing-thought-philosophy https://jacobin.com/2023/09/georg-lukacs-irrationalism-right...
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    - aguaviva 2y ago
      Even the article you're attempting to draw support from didn't attempt to claim that "Hitler took a lot of influence" from Nietzsche. At most it was second-hand, through another guy whom barely anyone remembers these days, and who who woefully miscontrued him anyway. Meanwhile there's not even a whiff of substance behind this statement: Nietzsche was to Hitler what Marx was to Stalin.
      - medo-bear 2y ago
        The article also says, During World War II, Hitler’s soldiers marched off to battle with field-gray editions of Friedrich Nietzsche’s works in their packs, and ordinary Germans were occasionally urged on with the philosopher’s words. Seems like 'little red book' vibes to me. On the other hand, do you really think Stalin faithfully represented Marx's ideas? There are many parallels between Stalin's approach to Marx and Hitler's to Nietzsche, even regarding obvious misintrepretation. https://www.marxists.org/archive/lukacs/works/nietzsche/ch04.htm https://www.marxists.org/archive/lukacs/works/nietzsche/ch04... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influence_and_reception_of_Friedrich_Nietzsche#Nietzsche_and_fascism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influence_and_reception_of_F...