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Cooperation works if the potential damage caused by a rouge actor is sufficiently low. Otherwise, it's too easy to sabotage things. This is why we don't want ra

by uh_uh 2y ago

Cooperation works if the potential damage caused by a rouge actor is sufficiently low. Otherwise, it's too easy to sabotage things. This is why we don't want random rouge states to have nukes. AI will give so much leverage to rouge actors that it will significantly shift the game theory in favour of not cooperating.

chefandy 2y ago
> Cooperation works if the potential damage caused by a rouge actor is sufficiently low. Otherwise, it's too easy to sabotage things. This is why we don't want random rouge states to have nukes. AI will give so much leverage to rouge actors that it will significantly shift the game theory in favour of not cooperating. Governments successfully collectively controlling dangerous things so they don’t fall into the hands of rogue bad actors fundamentally opposes the extreme individualist every-man-for-himself perspective in every conceivable way. It’s the absolute opposite of “it’s everybody’s responsibility to protect themselves because everybody else is only going to look out for themselves.” And when individuals have that much leverage, collective action is the only conceivable way to oppose it. Some of those things might be cultural, like mores, some might be laws, some might be more martial. I don’t see how extreme individualism even theoretically could be more powerful.
- uh_uh 2y ago
  Are you suggesting government action against putting up code like this to GitHub? It’s ok if you are, but I want to put into more concrete terms what we’re talking about.
  - chefandy 2y ago
    You’re the one that made the direct government control analogy. I mentioned a number of non-individualistic mechanisms in my previous comment. I’m not going to keep engaging in a fishing expedition of things to argue about — I think it’s pretty clear what aspect of your stance I disagree with— and am going to leave it at that.
    - uh_uh 2y ago
      So you don't have a concrete suggestion to solve the scamming problem?

by uh_uh 2y ago

chefandy 2y ago

> Cooperation works if the potential damage caused by a rouge actor is sufficiently low. Otherwise, it's too easy to sabotage things. This is why we don't want random rouge states to have nukes. AI will give so much leverage to rouge actors that it will significantly shift the game theory in favour of not cooperating. Governments successfully collectively controlling dangerous things so they don’t fall into the hands of rogue bad actors fundamentally opposes the extreme individualist every-man-for-himself perspective in every conceivable way. It’s the absolute opposite of “it’s everybody’s responsibility to protect themselves because everybody else is only going to look out for themselves.” And when individuals have that much leverage, collective action is the only conceivable way to oppose it. Some of those things might be cultural, like mores, some might be laws, some might be more martial. I don’t see how extreme individualism even theoretically could be more powerful.

uh_uh 2y ago
Are you suggesting government action against putting up code like this to GitHub? It’s ok if you are, but I want to put into more concrete terms what we’re talking about.
- chefandy 2y ago
  You’re the one that made the direct government control analogy. I mentioned a number of non-individualistic mechanisms in my previous comment. I’m not going to keep engaging in a fishing expedition of things to argue about — I think it’s pretty clear what aspect of your stance I disagree with— and am going to leave it at that.
  - uh_uh 2y ago
    So you don't have a concrete suggestion to solve the scamming problem?