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Bulldozing grandma is just the cost of technological progress /s

by tsujamin 2y ago

uh_uh 2y ago
This tech is going to be ubiquitous, it's just too easy to distribute it. Grandma better starts adapting now.
- thejazzman 2y ago
  Because people make it so, not because the natural order of the world gets us there For some reason because we can validates that we should. Any jackass has the power of a research team of phds. It's kinda weird.
  - uh_uh 2y ago
    Demanding responsible behaviour from everybody is not going to work. Some people don't care about negative externalities that much and it's enough if only a few of them decide not to play ball. So either grandma needs to adapt which will upset some people or distributing the tech should be regulated/prosecuted which will upset another group of people.
    - rockemsockem 2y ago
      I think either way grandma needs to adapt though since Russian scammers and trolls are still going to run scams with fake voices.
      - 123yawaworht456 2y ago
        how very politically correct of you to pretend it's Russians who scam your grandmas
        rockemsockem 2y ago
        Insert any other country you like that doesn't have extradition agreements with the United States. Any other country the law can at least ostensibly be enforced there, even if it isn't always
  - chefandy 2y ago
    Indeed. Humans ascended to dominance because we can cooperate. This every-man-for-themself idea is an aberration, not the natural order as so many claim. It’s rather astounding to think otherwise considering the logistics of how we’re communicating right now.
    - uh_uh 2y ago
      Cooperation works if the potential damage caused by a rouge actor is sufficiently low. Otherwise, it's too easy to sabotage things. This is why we don't want random rouge states to have nukes. AI will give so much leverage to rouge actors that it will significantly shift the game theory in favour of not cooperating.
      - chefandy 2y ago
        > Cooperation works if the potential damage caused by a rouge actor is sufficiently low. Otherwise, it's too easy to sabotage things. This is why we don't want random rouge states to have nukes. AI will give so much leverage to rouge actors that it will significantly shift the game theory in favour of not cooperating. Governments successfully collectively controlling dangerous things so they don’t fall into the hands of rogue bad actors fundamentally opposes the extreme individualist every-man-for-himself perspective in every conceivable way. It’s the absolute opposite of “it’s everybody’s responsibility to protect themselves because everybody else is only going to look out for themselves.” And when individuals have that much leverage, collective action is the only conceivable way to oppose it. Some of those things might be cultural, like mores, some might be laws, some might be more martial. I don’t see how extreme individualism even theoretically could be more powerful.
        uh_uh 2y ago
        Are you suggesting government action against putting up code like this to GitHub? It’s ok if you are, but I want to put into more concrete terms what we’re talking about.
        2y ago
- chefandy 2y ago
  You can’t adapt around brain age making it more difficult to distinguish truth from lies.
- casey2 2y ago
  Yeah, I don't really get the hulabaloo, if granny doesn't have the mental fortitude to keep up with the times she shouldn't be managing her own money. I guess better her son/daughter than a scammer but both are better than letting money rot. Put granny on foodstamps and pay $1 for her rent controled housing be done with it.
  - zelphirkalt 2y ago
    Are we forgetting, that there are many elderly people without living descendants?
weq 2y ago
This tech is not only great for bulldozing grandma, its great at stealing content from other creators and rebranding it as your own. Based on the github, it kind of seems like thats exactly whats being advertised as the use case. Steal content from BBC, cut it up and pull the noise out/vocals/revoice the content so the algorithm cant detect the plagorism easily. The imagine detection is no where no the audio detection for copyright strikes. There is a massive problem with this on youtube. Pretty much every category on youtube now has a host of these bots trolling content and playing the youtube strike system like a banjo. There are channels detected to showing you how to setup these content mills. This tool can make you good money.
- sfjailbird 2y ago
  First generative AI destroyed Google search, and now it has pretty much destroyed YouTube. Social platforms, including this one, are probably goners too. We live in interesting times.

Bulldozing grandma is just the cost of technological progress /s

uh_uh 2y ago

This tech is going to be ubiquitous, it's just too easy to distribute it. Grandma better starts adapting now.

thejazzman 2y ago
Because people make it so, not because the natural order of the world gets us there For some reason because we can validates that we should. Any jackass has the power of a research team of phds. It's kinda weird.
- uh_uh 2y ago
  Demanding responsible behaviour from everybody is not going to work. Some people don't care about negative externalities that much and it's enough if only a few of them decide not to play ball. So either grandma needs to adapt which will upset some people or distributing the tech should be regulated/prosecuted which will upset another group of people.
  - rockemsockem 2y ago
    I think either way grandma needs to adapt though since Russian scammers and trolls are still going to run scams with fake voices.
    - 123yawaworht456 2y ago
      how very politically correct of you to pretend it's Russians who scam your grandmas
      - rockemsockem 2y ago
        Insert any other country you like that doesn't have extradition agreements with the United States. Any other country the law can at least ostensibly be enforced there, even if it isn't always
- chefandy 2y ago
  Indeed. Humans ascended to dominance because we can cooperate. This every-man-for-themself idea is an aberration, not the natural order as so many claim. It’s rather astounding to think otherwise considering the logistics of how we’re communicating right now.
  - uh_uh 2y ago
    Cooperation works if the potential damage caused by a rouge actor is sufficiently low. Otherwise, it's too easy to sabotage things. This is why we don't want random rouge states to have nukes. AI will give so much leverage to rouge actors that it will significantly shift the game theory in favour of not cooperating.
    - chefandy 2y ago
      > Cooperation works if the potential damage caused by a rouge actor is sufficiently low. Otherwise, it's too easy to sabotage things. This is why we don't want random rouge states to have nukes. AI will give so much leverage to rouge actors that it will significantly shift the game theory in favour of not cooperating. Governments successfully collectively controlling dangerous things so they don’t fall into the hands of rogue bad actors fundamentally opposes the extreme individualist every-man-for-himself perspective in every conceivable way. It’s the absolute opposite of “it’s everybody’s responsibility to protect themselves because everybody else is only going to look out for themselves.” And when individuals have that much leverage, collective action is the only conceivable way to oppose it. Some of those things might be cultural, like mores, some might be laws, some might be more martial. I don’t see how extreme individualism even theoretically could be more powerful.
      - uh_uh 2y ago
        Are you suggesting government action against putting up code like this to GitHub? It’s ok if you are, but I want to put into more concrete terms what we’re talking about.
        2y ago
chefandy 2y ago
You can’t adapt around brain age making it more difficult to distinguish truth from lies.
casey2 2y ago
Yeah, I don't really get the hulabaloo, if granny doesn't have the mental fortitude to keep up with the times she shouldn't be managing her own money. I guess better her son/daughter than a scammer but both are better than letting money rot. Put granny on foodstamps and pay $1 for her rent controled housing be done with it.
- zelphirkalt 2y ago
  Are we forgetting, that there are many elderly people without living descendants?

weq 2y ago

This tech is not only great for bulldozing grandma, its great at stealing content from other creators and rebranding it as your own. Based on the github, it kind of seems like thats exactly whats being advertised as the use case. Steal content from BBC, cut it up and pull the noise out/vocals/revoice the content so the algorithm cant detect the plagorism easily. The imagine detection is no where no the audio detection for copyright strikes. There is a massive problem with this on youtube. Pretty much every category on youtube now has a host of these bots trolling content and playing the youtube strike system like a banjo. There are channels detected to showing you how to setup these content mills. This tool can make you good money.

sfjailbird 2y ago
First generative AI destroyed Google search, and now it has pretty much destroyed YouTube. Social platforms, including this one, are probably goners too. We live in interesting times.