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Filtering out trolls, passive aggressive jerkoffs, and outright verbal abuse is everyone's right. Musk (and Dorsey) believe those people have a "right" to do th

Filtering out trolls, passive aggressive jerkoffs, and outright verbal abuse is everyone's right. Musk (and Dorsey) believe those people have a "right" to do those things without being muted. Right.

lelanthran 2y ago
> Filtering out trolls, passive aggressive jerkoffs, and outright verbal abuse is everyone's right. Musk (and Dorsey) believe those people have a "right" to do those things without being muted. > Right. Okay, when you get 99.999% of the population to agree on the definition of those terms and who they apply to, then sure ... let's take their voices away. My personal observation over the recent years is that these slurs, and more, are applied to anyone not in a group (which is literally a vocal minority), by that very same group. What we have now is a very vocal minority that is campaigning as if they have the support of the entire population, and they are calling anyone who doesn't support them some pretty awful names. Those terms of yours (and more, like "nazi") have been so diluted by overuse on the average person that they don't mean anything anymore. People unsupportive of the current approach to treating gender dysphoria are accused of being awful humans, while those doing the shaming are ignoring that we regard other types of dysphoria as mental issues, not fixable via surgery. More recently, I've noticed that the L, G and B individuals, that I personally know socially, are actively distancing themselves from the rest of that alphabet soup. So, yeah, we need some new terms to define what an actual troll is, because now the meaning includes "doesn't support my campaign for $IDEOLOGY".
- ChicagoDave 2y ago
  If you don't know what fascism is or what a Nazi is, then I can't help you. Those words aren't diluted. Nazi A member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, which controlled Germany from 1933 to 1945 under Adolf Hitler. The body of political and economic doctrines held and put into effect by the Nazis in Germany during that period. Nazism Nazism is a form of fascism, with disdain for liberal democracy and the parliamentary system. It incorporates a dictatorship, fervent antisemitism, anti-communism, anti-Slavism, anti-Romani sentiment, scientific racism, white supremacy, social Darwinism, homophobia, ableism, and the use of eugenics into its creed. Fascism Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy. Opposed to anarchism, democracy, pluralism, egalitarianism, liberalism, socialism, and Marxism, fascism is at the far right of the traditional left–right spectrum. The election was split by 1.7% and the population is very diverse on most issues, and it swings red because we have states with low populations with over-representation. Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, North and South Dakota provide ten senate seats represented by 6 million people (10% of the population would be 34 million), or less than 2%. Your "99.999%" statement is patently false. Bluesky does not block or mute people. The users do. Twitter/X has filtering mechanisms tweaked by Musk to favor his worldview. Which one is truly enabling free speech, and which one is just a billionaire's hobbyist misinformation platform? If you come to Bluesky and you're a jerk, you won't find a community that includes people that don't like jerks. You'll only find a community of people that likes jerks. Still open. Still free. No advertisement. No algorithm. You get out of it what you put in. Kind of like real life.
  - lelanthran 2y ago
    > If you don't know what fascism is or what a Nazi is, then I can't help you. My point is that I already know what those things are; the people calling others "Nazi" or "Fascist" apparently don't know what those terms mean. > Your "99.999%" statement is patently false. How so? It wasn't an assertion, it was a request: >>> Okay, when you get 99.999% of the population to agree on the definition of those terms and who they apply to, then sure ... let's take their voices away. Let me re-iterate: If almost half the voters who do not agree with the minority are getting called Nazis or Fascists by that minority (probably less than 10%), then those terms are watered down and meaningless.
    - ChicagoDave 2y ago
      37% didn’t vote. Trump got 32%. Harris got 31%. There is no silent majority. You get called a Nazi if you think immigrants or transgenders are the problem and not wealthy billionaires manipulating our national media.
      - lelanthran 2y ago
        > 37% didn’t vote. Trump got 32%. Harris got 31%. Isn't that in agreement with what I said? What did you think I meant by "half the voters" > There is no silent majority. I never said there was. I said there's a very vocal minority, the phrasing of which I thought clearly indicated that it wasn't 100% Harris voters who were that vocal minority. > You get called a Nazi if you think immigrants or transgenders are the problem Well, yeah; that's kinda the problem - that's not what the word "Nazi" meant, but now it's so diluted that it gets applied to fully half the voters, by a tiny minority of people who are very very vocal. I mean, I stepped into this thread saying that the meaning of "Nazi" has been diluted, and in response you say that people who have a problem with illegal immigration are Nazis? Are you serious? If people concerned about illegal immigration are actual Nazis, how the fuck are we to describe people running concentration camps, gas chambers and genocide?
        ChicagoDave 2y ago

Filtering out trolls, passive aggressive jerkoffs, and outright verbal abuse is everyone's right. Musk (and Dorsey) believe those people have a "right" to do those things without being muted. Right.

lelanthran 2y ago

> Filtering out trolls, passive aggressive jerkoffs, and outright verbal abuse is everyone's right. Musk (and Dorsey) believe those people have a "right" to do those things without being muted. > Right. Okay, when you get 99.999% of the population to agree on the definition of those terms and who they apply to, then sure ... let's take their voices away. My personal observation over the recent years is that these slurs, and more, are applied to anyone not in a group (which is literally a vocal minority), by that very same group. What we have now is a very vocal minority that is campaigning as if they have the support of the entire population, and they are calling anyone who doesn't support them some pretty awful names. Those terms of yours (and more, like "nazi") have been so diluted by overuse on the average person that they don't mean anything anymore. People unsupportive of the current approach to treating gender dysphoria are accused of being awful humans, while those doing the shaming are ignoring that we regard other types of dysphoria as mental issues, not fixable via surgery. More recently, I've noticed that the L, G and B individuals, that I personally know socially, are actively distancing themselves from the rest of that alphabet soup. So, yeah, we need some new terms to define what an actual troll is, because now the meaning includes "doesn't support my campaign for $IDEOLOGY".

ChicagoDave 2y ago
If you don't know what fascism is or what a Nazi is, then I can't help you. Those words aren't diluted. Nazi A member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, which controlled Germany from 1933 to 1945 under Adolf Hitler. The body of political and economic doctrines held and put into effect by the Nazis in Germany during that period. Nazism Nazism is a form of fascism, with disdain for liberal democracy and the parliamentary system. It incorporates a dictatorship, fervent antisemitism, anti-communism, anti-Slavism, anti-Romani sentiment, scientific racism, white supremacy, social Darwinism, homophobia, ableism, and the use of eugenics into its creed. Fascism Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy. Opposed to anarchism, democracy, pluralism, egalitarianism, liberalism, socialism, and Marxism, fascism is at the far right of the traditional left–right spectrum. The election was split by 1.7% and the population is very diverse on most issues, and it swings red because we have states with low populations with over-representation. Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, North and South Dakota provide ten senate seats represented by 6 million people (10% of the population would be 34 million), or less than 2%. Your "99.999%" statement is patently false. Bluesky does not block or mute people. The users do. Twitter/X has filtering mechanisms tweaked by Musk to favor his worldview. Which one is truly enabling free speech, and which one is just a billionaire's hobbyist misinformation platform? If you come to Bluesky and you're a jerk, you won't find a community that includes people that don't like jerks. You'll only find a community of people that likes jerks. Still open. Still free. No advertisement. No algorithm. You get out of it what you put in. Kind of like real life.
- lelanthran 2y ago
  > If you don't know what fascism is or what a Nazi is, then I can't help you. My point is that I already know what those things are; the people calling others "Nazi" or "Fascist" apparently don't know what those terms mean. > Your "99.999%" statement is patently false. How so? It wasn't an assertion, it was a request: >>> Okay, when you get 99.999% of the population to agree on the definition of those terms and who they apply to, then sure ... let's take their voices away. Let me re-iterate: If almost half the voters who do not agree with the minority are getting called Nazis or Fascists by that minority (probably less than 10%), then those terms are watered down and meaningless.
  - ChicagoDave 2y ago
    37% didn’t vote. Trump got 32%. Harris got 31%. There is no silent majority. You get called a Nazi if you think immigrants or transgenders are the problem and not wealthy billionaires manipulating our national media.
    - lelanthran 2y ago
      > 37% didn’t vote. Trump got 32%. Harris got 31%. Isn't that in agreement with what I said? What did you think I meant by "half the voters" > There is no silent majority. I never said there was. I said there's a very vocal minority, the phrasing of which I thought clearly indicated that it wasn't 100% Harris voters who were that vocal minority. > You get called a Nazi if you think immigrants or transgenders are the problem Well, yeah; that's kinda the problem - that's not what the word "Nazi" meant, but now it's so diluted that it gets applied to fully half the voters, by a tiny minority of people who are very very vocal. I mean, I stepped into this thread saying that the meaning of "Nazi" has been diluted, and in response you say that people who have a problem with illegal immigration are Nazis? Are you serious? If people concerned about illegal immigration are actual Nazis, how the fuck are we to describe people running concentration camps, gas chambers and genocide?
      - ChicagoDave 2y ago