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Can we stop with the {ignore the current issue} + {point at something else} two-step? I realize partisan news has normalized that method of discourse, but it's

by ethbr1 2y ago

Can we stop with the {ignore the current issue} + {point at something else} two-step? I realize partisan news has normalized that method of discourse, but it's a boring and braindead way to argue. In the real world, the existence of other bad things doesn't make a particular bad thing disappear.

anon291 2y ago
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- mrbombastic 2y ago
  It may also just show that he didn’t have the support and team at the time to get away with it, but we shall see if it is all just rhetoric
- cowboylowrez 2y ago
  I'd like to read more about the accusations about Biden, especially the debanking allegations but so far I just find stuff from some Andreesen (?) appearance on "joe rogan" which wouldn't count as reliable information in my opinion. Course that could also be because internet search sucks nowadays lol the best I can find only reinforces my suspicions that if its on "joe rogan" then miss me with that mess haha https://jabberwocking.com/choke-point-2-0-a-primer-on-the-rights-latest-conspiracy-theory/ https://jabberwocking.com/choke-point-2-0-a-primer-on-the-ri...
- mikeyouse 2y ago
  Trump repeatedly sent takedown requests to Twitter in his first term … for things as serious as celebrities bad mouthing him. He’s actively suing CBS because he didn’t like their interview with Kamala. He filed a frivolous defamation suit against The NY Times, likewise CNN and some random news station in Wisconsin. why do people pretend like this stuff didn’t happen or is somehow less worthy of mention than whatever Biden did? https://archive.is/XXn6a https://archive.is/XXn6a
  - anon291 2y ago
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    - hn_acker 2y ago
      > We know twitter has an intense liberal bias based on their previous composition. No, "we" don't [1][2]. Pre-Elon Musk Twitter gave extra leeway to conservatives and didn't target conservative views for removal [3]. [1] Twitter Admits in Court Filing: Elon Musk Is Simply Wrong About Government Interference At Twitter https://www.techdirt.com/2023/06/05/twitter-admits-in-court-filing-elon-musk-is-simply-wrong-about-government-interference-at-twitter/ https://www.techdirt.com/2023/06/05/twitter-admits-in-court-... [2] https://www.techdirt.com/2023/06/29/internal-twitter-video-reveals-twitter-bent-over-backwards-to-protect-trump-and-pro-trump-insurrectionists/ https://www.techdirt.com/2023/06/29/internal-twitter-video-r... [3] Researchers Confirm: Content Moderation Appears To Target Dangerous Nonsense, Not Political Ideology https://www.techdirt.com/2024/10/04/researchers-confirm-content-moderation-appears-to-target-dangerous-nonsense-not-political-ideology/ https://www.techdirt.com/2024/10/04/researchers-confirm-cont...
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rayiner 2y ago
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- ethbr1 2y ago
  Absolutely agreed! The issue I have -- and this seems to be a modern, last-10-years phenomenon -- is that an attack on one party's candidate is responded to by attacking the other party's candidate on a different issue. That's... not normal. And didn't used to be as common as it is now. You answer the question/issue, as proposed. You can append an attack on the other party after the response, but people have gotten in a habit of lazily skipping the first step, and I think the quick-take nature of internet discussion has exacerbated this. "Trump did this!" "Well, here's something the Democrats did!" "Kamala did this!" "Well, here's something the Republicans did!" Neither of those addresses the original point.

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anon291 2y ago

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mrbombastic 2y ago
It may also just show that he didn’t have the support and team at the time to get away with it, but we shall see if it is all just rhetoric
cowboylowrez 2y ago
I'd like to read more about the accusations about Biden, especially the debanking allegations but so far I just find stuff from some Andreesen (?) appearance on "joe rogan" which wouldn't count as reliable information in my opinion. Course that could also be because internet search sucks nowadays lol the best I can find only reinforces my suspicions that if its on "joe rogan" then miss me with that mess haha https://jabberwocking.com/choke-point-2-0-a-primer-on-the-rights-latest-conspiracy-theory/ https://jabberwocking.com/choke-point-2-0-a-primer-on-the-ri...
mikeyouse 2y ago
Trump repeatedly sent takedown requests to Twitter in his first term … for things as serious as celebrities bad mouthing him. He’s actively suing CBS because he didn’t like their interview with Kamala. He filed a frivolous defamation suit against The NY Times, likewise CNN and some random news station in Wisconsin. why do people pretend like this stuff didn’t happen or is somehow less worthy of mention than whatever Biden did? https://archive.is/XXn6a https://archive.is/XXn6a
- anon291 2y ago
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  - hn_acker 2y ago
    > We know twitter has an intense liberal bias based on their previous composition. No, "we" don't [1][2]. Pre-Elon Musk Twitter gave extra leeway to conservatives and didn't target conservative views for removal [3]. [1] Twitter Admits in Court Filing: Elon Musk Is Simply Wrong About Government Interference At Twitter https://www.techdirt.com/2023/06/05/twitter-admits-in-court-filing-elon-musk-is-simply-wrong-about-government-interference-at-twitter/ https://www.techdirt.com/2023/06/05/twitter-admits-in-court-... [2] https://www.techdirt.com/2023/06/29/internal-twitter-video-reveals-twitter-bent-over-backwards-to-protect-trump-and-pro-trump-insurrectionists/ https://www.techdirt.com/2023/06/29/internal-twitter-video-r... [3] Researchers Confirm: Content Moderation Appears To Target Dangerous Nonsense, Not Political Ideology https://www.techdirt.com/2024/10/04/researchers-confirm-content-moderation-appears-to-target-dangerous-nonsense-not-political-ideology/ https://www.techdirt.com/2024/10/04/researchers-confirm-cont...
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rayiner 2y ago

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ethbr1 2y ago
Absolutely agreed! The issue I have -- and this seems to be a modern, last-10-years phenomenon -- is that an attack on one party's candidate is responded to by attacking the other party's candidate on a different issue. That's... not normal. And didn't used to be as common as it is now. You answer the question/issue, as proposed. You can append an attack on the other party after the response, but people have gotten in a habit of lazily skipping the first step, and I think the quick-take nature of internet discussion has exacerbated this. "Trump did this!" "Well, here's something the Democrats did!" "Kamala did this!" "Well, here's something the Republicans did!" Neither of those addresses the original point.