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All US government agencies are created through congress, by your elected representatives. It is the executive branch (the president, who is also elected) that i

All US government agencies are created through congress, by your elected representatives. It is the executive branch (the president, who is also elected) that is then responsible for carrying out the agency's mission. All the high-level government bureaucrats are confirmed by the senate, all elected officials. If a president dismisses them, the senate has to confirm their replacement. This kind of government is described in the US constitution.

danielmarkbruce 2y ago
This is a disingenuous take. The agencies as they currently function (creating rules) isn't "described in the US constitution". We got here via a combination of practice, legislation and court decisions over decades and decades and decades. And recently court cases are swinging back against the power of the agencies.
- threeseed 2y ago
  It has always been the responsibility of agencies to implement the strategic objectives passed by Congress i.e. create the rules. It is not reasonable nor sensible for Congress to shift towards defining in minutiae every detail about how the laws should be implemented. Which are then locked in stone until a new bill is passed. Or not passed as in the case with Congress these days. Because as we've seen time and time again innocent mistakes will be made and you want them rectified as quickly and easily as possible.
  - danielmarkbruce 2y ago
    Regulatory agencies weren't even a thing until the ICC in 1887. People aren't talking about the post office when they complain about regulatory agencies. Now we have all kinds of regulatory agencies making stuff up as they go. Nothing in the constitution talks about congress passing "strategic objectives" nor a vast apparatus of administrative law making entities like the the current regulatory agencies.
    - threeseed 2y ago
      This is simply wrong. Regulatory agencies are constrained by the laws that Congress passes. Where there is ambiguity (of which there is an infinite supply) the precedent was to leave up to agencies to interpret it. As opposed to requiring endless new bills to be passed.
      - danielmarkbruce 2y ago
        Nope, it's right, every single part. Right now there are over 100,000 rules in the code of federal regulations across 50 volumes: https://www.govinfo.gov/app/collection/CFR https://www.govinfo.gov/app/collection/CFR Here is another link for you: https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R43056/9?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R43056/9?utm_s... Search for "major rules". Think about those. They are constrained only by what is nowadays extremely broadly written legislation. Just read anything like dodd-frank, written by incompetent fools who left it so broad that it said both nothing and everything (no constraints in practice) - and is now the source of 100s of rules across various agencies. Yes, precedent, part of my point. The constitution says nothing about it. The first regulatory agency came about 100 years after the constitution - that isn't by chance. It hasn't always been like this. It wasn't envisaged.
        anon84873628 2y ago
        I agree with some of your point but don't find your rationale convincing. >Nothing in the constitution talks about congress passing [stuff] Yeah, because the constitution was intended to allow Congress to pass laws that define the rest of "the government". The constitution is not supposed to be the _only_ law. >It hasn't always been like this. It wasn't envisaged. The founders knew they couldn't predict the future which is why they set it up so Congress could make laws. Again, the whole thing is working as designed. Now, you could say that these laws have had unintended consequences, or no longer serve their purpose, or need modification for current times, etc etc. Those would be policy positions, not the sign of some constitutional crisis. And critically, it would be the role of Congress to correct, not the president. Now, yes, absolutely, voting for president is a way to enforce checks and balances on Congress when they are not responding effectively. However, completely eroding all checks and balances on _Executive_ power in the process, which seems to be happening now, doesn't look like a great move to me.

danielmarkbruce 2y ago

This is a disingenuous take. The agencies as they currently function (creating rules) isn't "described in the US constitution". We got here via a combination of practice, legislation and court decisions over decades and decades and decades. And recently court cases are swinging back against the power of the agencies.

threeseed 2y ago
It has always been the responsibility of agencies to implement the strategic objectives passed by Congress i.e. create the rules. It is not reasonable nor sensible for Congress to shift towards defining in minutiae every detail about how the laws should be implemented. Which are then locked in stone until a new bill is passed. Or not passed as in the case with Congress these days. Because as we've seen time and time again innocent mistakes will be made and you want them rectified as quickly and easily as possible.
- danielmarkbruce 2y ago
  Regulatory agencies weren't even a thing until the ICC in 1887. People aren't talking about the post office when they complain about regulatory agencies. Now we have all kinds of regulatory agencies making stuff up as they go. Nothing in the constitution talks about congress passing "strategic objectives" nor a vast apparatus of administrative law making entities like the the current regulatory agencies.
  - threeseed 2y ago
    This is simply wrong. Regulatory agencies are constrained by the laws that Congress passes. Where there is ambiguity (of which there is an infinite supply) the precedent was to leave up to agencies to interpret it. As opposed to requiring endless new bills to be passed.
    - danielmarkbruce 2y ago
      Nope, it's right, every single part. Right now there are over 100,000 rules in the code of federal regulations across 50 volumes: https://www.govinfo.gov/app/collection/CFR https://www.govinfo.gov/app/collection/CFR Here is another link for you: https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R43056/9?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R43056/9?utm_s... Search for "major rules". Think about those. They are constrained only by what is nowadays extremely broadly written legislation. Just read anything like dodd-frank, written by incompetent fools who left it so broad that it said both nothing and everything (no constraints in practice) - and is now the source of 100s of rules across various agencies. Yes, precedent, part of my point. The constitution says nothing about it. The first regulatory agency came about 100 years after the constitution - that isn't by chance. It hasn't always been like this. It wasn't envisaged.
      - anon84873628 2y ago
        I agree with some of your point but don't find your rationale convincing. >Nothing in the constitution talks about congress passing [stuff] Yeah, because the constitution was intended to allow Congress to pass laws that define the rest of "the government". The constitution is not supposed to be the _only_ law. >It hasn't always been like this. It wasn't envisaged. The founders knew they couldn't predict the future which is why they set it up so Congress could make laws. Again, the whole thing is working as designed. Now, you could say that these laws have had unintended consequences, or no longer serve their purpose, or need modification for current times, etc etc. Those would be policy positions, not the sign of some constitutional crisis. And critically, it would be the role of Congress to correct, not the president. Now, yes, absolutely, voting for president is a way to enforce checks and balances on Congress when they are not responding effectively. However, completely eroding all checks and balances on _Executive_ power in the process, which seems to be happening now, doesn't look like a great move to me.