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Here come the flurry of scary articles looking to find that angle. Can’t call this one a foreign actor so now openness is “bad”.

coding123 2y ago
There is literally no one that can be pleased anymore.
- Dban1 2y ago
  try drawing a straight line through 8+ billion scattered dots.
  - __loam 2y ago
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NavinF 2y ago
The article takes that angle because Bluesky users are currently harassing and threatening a researcher. Read the replies to his original thread: https://bsky.app/profile/danielvanstrien.bsky.social/post/3lbu6l4fxdc2e https://bsky.app/profile/danielvanstrien.bsky.social/post/3l... From the article: >Per a report by 404 Media, Daniel van Strien, a machine learning librarian at AI firm Hugging Face, pulled 1 million public posts from Bluesky via its Firehose API for machine learning research, pushing the dataset to a public repository. Van Strien later removed the data due to the controversy that ensued; however, it serves as a timely reminder that everything you post publicly to Bluesky is, well, public.
- tacticus 2y ago
  So what was the license on the data? HF certainly have a restrictive license on data they produce.
- jazzyjackson 2y ago
  See also the comments where Daniel apologizes. Bluesky hasnt changed anything about the shape of Twitter and the kind of harassment that occurs. A mob of people have some vague enemy (AI bros) and pile on the first target of opportunity directing all their "kill yourself" energy at one individual at a time. https://bsky.app/profile/danielvanstrien.bsky.social/post/3lbvih4luvk23 https://bsky.app/profile/danielvanstrien.bsky.social/post/3l...
  - CaptainFever 2y ago
    > hey man i don't know if anyone's told you yet but nobody likes you, you stink, your ideas are stupid, ai is loser shit, and you should go fuck yourself > Get off this website, you fucking ghouls. > Just go back to Twitter you Ai trash. Create your own work and stop trying to make money off of everyone else’s. No one wants you here. > You're not sorry, you lying sack of shit. Get the fuck off this site. Better yet, get off the internet entirely, go live in the mountains and be a hermit for the next 50 years, you rancid fucking malignance. > I’m using generative AI to make a rendering of you in a mass grave. etc. Keep in mind this the post where he takes it down.
- deleted 2y ago
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- paxys 2y ago
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  - cle 2y ago
    > By creating an account you agree to the Terms of Service and Privacy Policy. > The Bluesky App is a microblogging service for public conversation, so any information you add to your public profile and the information you post on the Bluesky App is public. What did they expect? I don't know how they could make it more clear. It doesn't say "information you post will only be used by people you like". It is public. Anybody can write like 10 lines of Python and start consuming the firehose.
    - paxys 2y ago
      Copyright laws don't cease to be a thing the moment you post something on the internet. The words are still yours. If this was X/Reddit/Facebook or the like instead of Bluesky the researcher would have immediately found himself on the wrong end of a DMCA takedown request and maybe even a lawsuit.
      - jazzyjackson 2y ago
        A lawsuit such as LinkedIn v. hiQ ? The concluding scraping publically accessible data was not a violation of CFAA, after which Twitter et al went logged-in-users-only? I don't know if copyright comes into this. While social media terms of service are very clear about licensing the comments of individual users, that's to protect them from what the law doesn't say implicitly. Is every comment posted to Twitter or Bluesky a "literary work" ? An original, creative expression ? I have my doubts but I guess there's room for a lawsuit yet.
        paxys 2y ago
        Why are Google, OpenAI etc. buying user generated data from Reddit and other similar sites for hundreds of millions of dollars a year? If Reddit comments aren't copyrighted and aren't original creative work then anyone should just be free to scrape them directly right?
__loam 2y ago
Bluesky themselves have made it abundantly clear they're with the artists on this one. The firehose isn't a license to use someone's art for commercial software development.
nomilk 2y ago
The hate doesn't prevent the research taking place, but ensures it won't occur publicly where it's more useful.

coding123 2y ago

There is literally no one that can be pleased anymore.

Dban1 2y ago
try drawing a straight line through 8+ billion scattered dots.
- __loam 2y ago
  [flagged]

NavinF 2y ago

The article takes that angle because Bluesky users are currently harassing and threatening a researcher. Read the replies to his original thread: https://bsky.app/profile/danielvanstrien.bsky.social/post/3lbu6l4fxdc2e https://bsky.app/profile/danielvanstrien.bsky.social/post/3l... From the article: >Per a report by 404 Media, Daniel van Strien, a machine learning librarian at AI firm Hugging Face, pulled 1 million public posts from Bluesky via its Firehose API for machine learning research, pushing the dataset to a public repository. Van Strien later removed the data due to the controversy that ensued; however, it serves as a timely reminder that everything you post publicly to Bluesky is, well, public.

tacticus 2y ago
So what was the license on the data? HF certainly have a restrictive license on data they produce.
jazzyjackson 2y ago
See also the comments where Daniel apologizes. Bluesky hasnt changed anything about the shape of Twitter and the kind of harassment that occurs. A mob of people have some vague enemy (AI bros) and pile on the first target of opportunity directing all their "kill yourself" energy at one individual at a time. https://bsky.app/profile/danielvanstrien.bsky.social/post/3lbvih4luvk23 https://bsky.app/profile/danielvanstrien.bsky.social/post/3l...
- CaptainFever 2y ago
  > hey man i don't know if anyone's told you yet but nobody likes you, you stink, your ideas are stupid, ai is loser shit, and you should go fuck yourself > Get off this website, you fucking ghouls. > Just go back to Twitter you Ai trash. Create your own work and stop trying to make money off of everyone else’s. No one wants you here. > You're not sorry, you lying sack of shit. Get the fuck off this site. Better yet, get off the internet entirely, go live in the mountains and be a hermit for the next 50 years, you rancid fucking malignance. > I’m using generative AI to make a rendering of you in a mass grave. etc. Keep in mind this the post where he takes it down.
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paxys 2y ago
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- cle 2y ago
  > By creating an account you agree to the Terms of Service and Privacy Policy. > The Bluesky App is a microblogging service for public conversation, so any information you add to your public profile and the information you post on the Bluesky App is public. What did they expect? I don't know how they could make it more clear. It doesn't say "information you post will only be used by people you like". It is public. Anybody can write like 10 lines of Python and start consuming the firehose.
  - paxys 2y ago
    Copyright laws don't cease to be a thing the moment you post something on the internet. The words are still yours. If this was X/Reddit/Facebook or the like instead of Bluesky the researcher would have immediately found himself on the wrong end of a DMCA takedown request and maybe even a lawsuit.
    - jazzyjackson 2y ago
      A lawsuit such as LinkedIn v. hiQ ? The concluding scraping publically accessible data was not a violation of CFAA, after which Twitter et al went logged-in-users-only? I don't know if copyright comes into this. While social media terms of service are very clear about licensing the comments of individual users, that's to protect them from what the law doesn't say implicitly. Is every comment posted to Twitter or Bluesky a "literary work" ? An original, creative expression ? I have my doubts but I guess there's room for a lawsuit yet.
      - paxys 2y ago
        Why are Google, OpenAI etc. buying user generated data from Reddit and other similar sites for hundreds of millions of dollars a year? If Reddit comments aren't copyrighted and aren't original creative work then anyone should just be free to scrape them directly right?

__loam 2y ago

Bluesky themselves have made it abundantly clear they're with the artists on this one. The firehose isn't a license to use someone's art for commercial software development.

nomilk 2y ago

The hate doesn't prevent the research taking place, but ensures it won't occur publicly where it's more useful.