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I've yet to hear a single ecologist equivocate on eliminating aedes aegypti, the primary vector for the worst vector borne diseases, and have heard many endorse

I've yet to hear a single ecologist equivocate on eliminating aedes aegypti, the primary vector for the worst vector borne diseases, and have heard many endorse the idea. Even so, things like Wolbachia give a means of effectively inoculating the vector.

taosx 2y ago
I also endorse that, they've somehow made way in Europe. They are active during the day and are very aggressive.
duskwuff 2y ago
The sheer amount of human and animal* suffering caused by mosquito-borne diseases speaks strongly in favor of mosquito eradication. Over half a million people died of malaria in 2022 alone, over three quarters of them children - even if there are ecological risks, they need to be weighed against allowing that suffering to continue. *: e.g. heartworm in dogs
- dietr1ch 2y ago
  It's crazy that eradicating missiles would do way better. It could even fund vaccination against mosquito-borne diseases without /figuring/ around and finding out if the chain reaction started by killing all the mosquitoes has big consequences or not.
  - waveBidder 2y ago
    why are you bringing this up? It's irrelevant to the topic at hand
    - dietr1ch 2y ago
      I agree it's sort of unrelated, but I think that people are getting nerd-snipped into thinking/discussing about a complicated improvement while there's easier ones right in front of us and it's kind of sad that while easy on theory, everyone seems already defeated by our apparent inability to do something about it. --- I guess the political turn is what seems it be off place, but if people were discussing how to make a program 0.5µs faster it'd be ok to discuss a way to shave 3s out of it, even if it was a completely different approach on a different part of the program. It'd mean that the effort is maybe being made in the wrong place.
      - smegger001 2y ago
        only Malaria has killed far more people than missiles you brought up. According to estimates published in Nature, over 50 billion people have suffered from Malaria over the course of human history. (Whitfield, J. Portrait of a serial killer. Nature 2002) that nearly half of humanity lost to a single disease. and unfortunately we are in warming planet where Malaria's host vector range is going to increase as temperatures continue to rise, destroying Malaria is one of the greatest possible morale goods we could pursue.
        dietr1ch 2y ago
        > over 50 billion people have suffered from Malaria over the course of human history. Those are long dead already, aren't they? I guess the right question to be asked when thinking about taking action is which one is going to kill more in the near future. > unfortunately we are in warming planet where Malaria's host vector range is going to increase as temperatures continue to rise. This is a fair point and should be accounted when thinking about the impact on malaria > Destroying Malaria is one of the greatest possible morale goods we could pursue It's great for sure, maybe among the greatest ones around health, but I don't think it'd go over peace.
    - ashoeafoot 2y ago
      its his/her job?
bsimpson 2y ago
See also, Debug: https://verily.com/solutions/public-health/debug https://verily.com/solutions/public-health/debug It's a Verily project that causes population collapse in mosquitoes like aedes aegypti by rendering the males infertile. > Aedes aegypti mosquitoes carry dengue, chikungunya, Zika and yellow fever diseases which have a large and growing impact on human health. They live almost exclusively in close association with humans, don’t fly very far compared to some mosquito species and are particularly difficult to attack using traditional methods, such as pesticides and source reduction of breeding sites.They’re also extensively studied in many labs around the world. We hope what we learn with the Aedes aegypti in the field will be helpful in developing new ways of tackling other mosquitoes and the diseases they transmit.
acyou 2y ago
I bet those same ecologists that endorse eliminating Aedes aegypti have taken their fair share of mosquito bites, too. Not that it takes anything away from their credibility. Wow, the Wikipedia article on Wolbachia is absolutely fascinating, thanks. I guess now they will push Wolbachia into Anopheles and use it as another control against malaria.

taosx 2y ago

I also endorse that, they've somehow made way in Europe. They are active during the day and are very aggressive.

duskwuff 2y ago

The sheer amount of human and animal* suffering caused by mosquito-borne diseases speaks strongly in favor of mosquito eradication. Over half a million people died of malaria in 2022 alone, over three quarters of them children - even if there are ecological risks, they need to be weighed against allowing that suffering to continue. *: e.g. heartworm in dogs

dietr1ch 2y ago
It's crazy that eradicating missiles would do way better. It could even fund vaccination against mosquito-borne diseases without /figuring/ around and finding out if the chain reaction started by killing all the mosquitoes has big consequences or not.
- waveBidder 2y ago
  why are you bringing this up? It's irrelevant to the topic at hand
  - dietr1ch 2y ago
    I agree it's sort of unrelated, but I think that people are getting nerd-snipped into thinking/discussing about a complicated improvement while there's easier ones right in front of us and it's kind of sad that while easy on theory, everyone seems already defeated by our apparent inability to do something about it. --- I guess the political turn is what seems it be off place, but if people were discussing how to make a program 0.5µs faster it'd be ok to discuss a way to shave 3s out of it, even if it was a completely different approach on a different part of the program. It'd mean that the effort is maybe being made in the wrong place.
    - smegger001 2y ago
      only Malaria has killed far more people than missiles you brought up. According to estimates published in Nature, over 50 billion people have suffered from Malaria over the course of human history. (Whitfield, J. Portrait of a serial killer. Nature 2002) that nearly half of humanity lost to a single disease. and unfortunately we are in warming planet where Malaria's host vector range is going to increase as temperatures continue to rise, destroying Malaria is one of the greatest possible morale goods we could pursue.
      - dietr1ch 2y ago
        > over 50 billion people have suffered from Malaria over the course of human history. Those are long dead already, aren't they? I guess the right question to be asked when thinking about taking action is which one is going to kill more in the near future. > unfortunately we are in warming planet where Malaria's host vector range is going to increase as temperatures continue to rise. This is a fair point and should be accounted when thinking about the impact on malaria > Destroying Malaria is one of the greatest possible morale goods we could pursue It's great for sure, maybe among the greatest ones around health, but I don't think it'd go over peace.
  - ashoeafoot 2y ago
    its his/her job?

bsimpson 2y ago

See also, Debug: https://verily.com/solutions/public-health/debug https://verily.com/solutions/public-health/debug It's a Verily project that causes population collapse in mosquitoes like aedes aegypti by rendering the males infertile. > Aedes aegypti mosquitoes carry dengue, chikungunya, Zika and yellow fever diseases which have a large and growing impact on human health. They live almost exclusively in close association with humans, don’t fly very far compared to some mosquito species and are particularly difficult to attack using traditional methods, such as pesticides and source reduction of breeding sites.They’re also extensively studied in many labs around the world. We hope what we learn with the Aedes aegypti in the field will be helpful in developing new ways of tackling other mosquitoes and the diseases they transmit.

acyou 2y ago

I bet those same ecologists that endorse eliminating Aedes aegypti have taken their fair share of mosquito bites, too. Not that it takes anything away from their credibility. Wow, the Wikipedia article on Wolbachia is absolutely fascinating, thanks. I guess now they will push Wolbachia into Anopheles and use it as another control against malaria.